COVID-19 Records

Edward C. Holmes

Professor, University of Sydney

Engagement

Authored2,986
Substantive (25+ words)705
Threads posted in894
Distinct active days440
Words authored66,754
Received (incl. group broadcast)8,749

Received counts include every message sent to a channel this person belonged to. That measures presence, not participation.

Statements

  • 174 own voice
  • 102 need context
  • 134 quoted / not their view

410 sentences were extracted and attributed to this person. Most are not their own opinion. Reporting the total as “410 statements” would misrepresent them.

Correspondents

PersonMediumMsgsSpan
Kristian G. Andersen slack 6,541 2020-04-30 – 2023-06-28
Robert F. Garry slack 6,278 2020-04-30 – 2022-06-02
Andrew Rambaut slack 4,883 2020-04-30 – 2022-06-02
Jeremy Farrar email 2 2020-07-28 – 2020-07-28
Anthony S. Fauci email 1 2020-07-28 – 2020-07-28
Kristian G. Andersen email 1 2020-07-28 – 2020-07-28
Uslackbot slack 1 2021-05-14 – 2021-05-14

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2020-05-01 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
D614 was associated with a huge epidemic in China that was only controlled through a severe lockdown and don't see any difference in G614.

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2020-05-01 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
That must come from an email that I sent to my press officer who then forwarded to them.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.5 · original PDF · in context

2020-05-01 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Reads to me that are pissed off that they were not involved inour paper and so want to get in on the act.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.5 · original PDF · in context

2020-05-11 own voice, substantive speaker_own · denies · chat message
On the debit side I was just sent another (long) piece of conspiracy theory BS: https://medium.com/@yurideigin/labmade-cov2-genealogy-through-the-lens-of-gain-of-function-research-f96dd7413748

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.19 · original PDF · in context

2020-05-24 own voice, substantive speaker_own · reports · chat message
There's a mountain of chatter about the pneumonia cases in Wuhan back in December before the disease was officially reported, but there is nothing about the lab.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.37 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-01 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
The last 2 in the natural origins bit have got nothing to do with his paper at all. [shared file(s): Talking points Latinne et al.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.48 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-11 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
I was reading Mike's paper to suggest that D614G was under selection to increase the infectivity of SARS-CoV-2, because it was directly related to the furin cleavage insertion, such that it not perfectly adapted to humans on emergence.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.69 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-11 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
My take is that furin cleavage sites are *everywhere* in natural viruses e.g.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.70 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-11 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
I also think that focusing on these genetic details - which are not conclusive - is in danger of missing the bigger picture: that bats (and like other wildlife) carry a huge diversity of coronaviruses some of which are closely related toSARS-CoV-2; that coronaviruses link species boundaries all the time; that 4 other CoVs have emerged in humans inthe last 20 years; that furin cleavage sites are common in viruses and come and go all the time; that people have been warning about emerging CoVs for years.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.71 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-11 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
But that work isn't exclusively done at the WIV because as you say yourself the Baric lab are doing it.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.72 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-11 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Strictly confidentially, I literally (2 mins ago) just got an email that says: "Recently, we isolated a pangolin-Cov that ishighly related with SARS-CoV-2 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2313-x).

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.73 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-11 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
No one gives a shit and now we are seeing loads of pangolins with frothy lungs.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.74 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-11 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Notable that HKU1 does have a furin cleavage site but NL63 doesn't.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.74 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-11 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Sorry to keep going, but HKU1 is really interesting in this context: (i) has an furin cleavage site (RRKRR) in the right spot; (ii) causes human and has spread (it turned up in Australia; (iii) betacoronavirus; (iv) closest relative is MHV but that is way distant.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.74 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-12 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
I was worried about conclusion being made on whether people use/don't use face masks.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.75 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-12 own voice, substantive speaker_own · acknowledges · chat message
Oh, I don't disagree with the conclusion at all (I completely agree that face masks are hugely important), but the analysis is dire.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.75 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-13 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
That Viruses paper on the pangolin virus, which does not even describe the sequence, was published online in Oct. 24th 2019.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.76 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-13 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
It's obviously not credible tohave read this, got the pangolins and the viruses and done the leaky experiments in this timeline; (ii) the WIV is not the only lab with closely related bat viruses - obviously RmYN02 comes from a different lab; (iii) I don't see that 4amino acid insertion and no flanking changes is at all problematic, particularly as these insertions are so commone.g. in H7N7 AIV the sequence went from PEIPKGR (low path) to PEIP*KRRR*R (high path).

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.76 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-13 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Alas, the involvement of WHO will upset some people but Idon't know what else is feasible; (iii) to me, the pangolin story is crucial: the RBD looked 'anomalous' but then a littleof sampling of an animal what we would never have expected found it was there in nature; (iv) yes, there are some new data points but it is also very clear that we really need better sample of nature to sort this out.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.78 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-13 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Doubtless there will be more bat viruses out there that fill in key positions, but if random animals like pangolins are in the mix (and these were smuggled into China from elsewhere) only god or George Gao knows what else is out there.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.78 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-18 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
In basements all over the world people will be looking at Google Maps and drawing straight lines between the fish market and the China CDC head office in Beijing.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.82 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-18 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Had a quick look...if Alina is suggesting that the pangolin RBD came from humans she's totally mad (look at the synonymous diversity). 100% clear that that RBD is out there in nature.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.85 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-18 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
The two pangolin papers in Nature (different groups) both show the same RBD in the animals from Guangdong.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.85 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-18 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
But the pangolin sequence is only 'highly identical' at the amino acid level.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.85 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-18 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
I've just emailed Tommy if he can assemble the same RBD without the Liu et al. data and/or if it has been Sanger sequenced.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.86 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-18 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
I've also asked if they can assemble the same RBD without the Liu et al. data and/or if it has been Sanger sequenced.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.86 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-18 own voice, substantive speaker_own · acknowledges · chat message
The similarity between the RBD and the Guangdong pangolins from the Liu et al. study alone was noted on Virological in late January.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.86 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-19 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
GD/1/2019 (Xiao), which is assembly from NGS SRA data of their pangolin samples, plus confirmation with PCR amplicon sequencing (Sanger/NGS unknown). 4.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.88 · original PDF · in context

2020-06-19 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Yes, as you said, some other papers are very nasty, they just down the pangolin sequences from GISAID and do some analysis and published, and without mentioning the source or citing the original papers.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.88 · original PDF · in context

2020-07-05 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
As I said above, all this suggests to me is that the only interesting virus they have at the WIV is RaTG13 and not another that they were secretly working on that gave riseto SARS-CoV-2.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.95 · original PDF · in context

2020-07-15 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Completely stupid comments about the Guangdong pangolin CoV...that it may have come from humans.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.100 · original PDF · in context

2020-07-15 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
She also completely forgets thatt the Guangxi pangolin CoV is also closely related to SARS-CoV-2.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.100 · original PDF · in context

2020-07-15 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
I didn't realise until the other day that the 1977 H1N1 outbreak was *not* a lab escape but a shonkyvaccine trial.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.101 · original PDF · in context

2020-07-25 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Like this (paywalled, but the by-line says it all): https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/27/lockdown-social-distancing-could-make-immune-system-weaker-says/

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.108 · original PDF · in context

2020-07-27 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
In addition, they completely fail to note that it was Clare that suggested Nature Medicine!!

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.113 · original PDF · in context

2020-07-28 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
We have all the documentation to back up what happened and he'd look like a total knob for trying to suppress discussion of lab origins.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.115 · original PDF · in context

2020-07-29 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Clearly, individual B is either Reviewer 2 of our paper, or Reviewer 2 shared confidential information with them.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.120 · original PDF · in context

2020-07-29 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
It does not appear that individual B knew that you discussed the paper directly with Nature Medicine, nor does it appear that the person knew who the handling editor was at that journal (Joao).We are very sorry to have to bring this to your attention, but given how serious a matter this is, we feel we have nochoice as our scientific reputations are being judged.Please let us know if you have any questions.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.120 · original PDF · in context

2020-08-14 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
The story here is that the outbreak in Victoria was due to an escape from hotel quarantine from return travellers.There's even an inquiry going on that the moment.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.134 · original PDF · in context

2020-08-26 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Apparently, the Wuhan Institute of Virology were manipulating sun spots in the lab.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.147 · original PDF · in context

2020-08-29 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
True, but I don't see how a passage in a mouse model would produce a virus so well adapted to humans and with that RBD.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.149 · original PDF · in context

2020-08-29 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Fair point about ACE2, but the RBD is very different to SARS-CoV.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.149 · original PDF · in context

2020-09-11 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
My original statement on the vaccines said: "SARS-CoV-2 is in the evolutionary slow lane for an RNA virus.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.161 · original PDF · in context

2020-09-17 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Let me make this very clear: the Guangdong pangolin viruses have been sequenced multiple times by multiple groups.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.178 · original PDF · in context

2020-09-17 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Plus there are Pangolins from Guangxi that have been sequenced.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.178 · original PDF · in context

2020-09-17 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
She also persistently claims that all the pangolin sequences were all derived from the one in the Viruses paper (pre-pandemic of course) which is untrue: there's aseparate assembly in Tommy's paper.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.178 · original PDF · in context

2020-09-17 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
The pangolin viruses were Sanger sequenced here and this paper clearly shows that these animals are sick: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.22.164442v1

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.179 · original PDF · in context

2020-09-17 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
The pangolin viruses from the Viruses paper were first assembled in that Virological post.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.179 · original PDF · in context

2020-09-17 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
But fucking Alina has managed to sow doubt by linking it to those dodgy pangolin papers.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.179 · original PDF · in context

2020-09-20 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Those furin cleavage sites are definitely out there in nature.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.186 · original PDF · in context

2020-09-25 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
I've also passed it onto the state health officials who ought to know about the dangerous misinformation that's going around.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.192 · original PDF · in context

2020-09-27 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
They are not really thinking lab origins, more the wildlife trade/wet market angle.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.194 · original PDF · in context

2020-09-30 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Notable that Rhinolophus sinicus bats are in Hubei and have a range of ACE2 receptors. [shared file(s): Journal of Virology-2020-Guo-e00902-20.full.pdf]

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.197 · original PDF · in context

2020-10-01 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
That's the original sequencing report from mid-late December where the commercial company first found reads for 'SARS'.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.200 · original PDF · in context

2020-10-01 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Zhang has now been booted out of China CDC and is now full-time in Shanghai.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.201 · original PDF · in context

2020-10-02 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
That cleavage site paper is really interesting...a key point is that the polybasic insertion is selected against in Vero cells: that journalist from the NYT (Nicholas Wade) was trying to argue with me that passage in Vero cells was a way that the polybasic insertion could occur...clearly the conspiracy theorists have been discussing this.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.208 · original PDF · in context

2020-10-25 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
In this paper they clear show the pangolins are sick and they Sanger sequenced the spike protein.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.230 · original PDF · in context

2020-10-25 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
The paper got decent reviews at Nature Microbiology but the Chinese authorities are not letting them publish it because of the loss of face the first time around.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.230 · original PDF · in context

2020-10-27 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Chan has used Twitter to make increasingly strong claims about the origin of SARS-CoV-2, in particular that it may be of lab rather than natural origin.Of course, Dr.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.234 · original PDF · in context

2020-10-28 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Tommy also says that Ian Wilson has shown that the Guangxi pangolin virus binds well to human ACE2.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.236 · original PDF · in context

2020-10-30 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
They are a commercial company that have nothing to do with Wuhan.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.241 · original PDF · in context

2020-10-30 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
That time-line makes zero sense with any known timeline, the epidemiological history of the outbreak, nor what was on Chinese social media.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.242 · original PDF · in context

2020-10-30 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Atworse it means that the China CDC must have known earlier which will throw the shit badly on them, particularly George.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.245 · original PDF · in context

2020-10-30 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Tommy has 6 SARS-CoV-2 sero-positive pangolins that are currently being metagenomically sequenced.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.245 · original PDF · in context

2020-10-30 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
In addition, as you know, what I do is to analyze the genome sequences from BGI and China CDC.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.246 · original PDF · in context

2020-11-02 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
In addition, as you know, what I do is to analyze the genome sequences from BGI and China CDC.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.248 · original PDF · in context

2020-11-04 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
(1) RmYN02 was not being worked on; (2) the spike protein receptor-binding domain in both these viruses is completely different to SARS-CoV-2; and (3) RmYN02 does not have a polybasic furin cleavage site.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.250 · original PDF · in context

2020-11-13 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
On an unrelated note, I see that in the lastest issue of Vince Racinello's TWiV one his guests is Mady Honig...the same Mady Honig who inspected that lesion on Ian Lipkin's butt.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.256 · original PDF · in context

2020-11-18 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Somebody had some Twitter correspondence with Jon Cohen and presented all the evidence that 1977 H1N1 was a dodgy vaccine.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.264 · original PDF · in context

2020-12-18 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Just been talking (off the record) to this guy from CNN who has been delving deep into the early outbreak.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.322 · original PDF · in context

2020-12-20 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
The lineage that did take off in Victoria a little later did so because it was associated with a super-spreading event.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.330 · original PDF · in context

2020-12-28 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
I don't have the sequence for that Cambodian virus and I'll see I can get hold of the key bits of the spike protein.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.345 · original PDF · in context

2021-01-05 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
And if these unsequenced viruses that are true of cause SARS-CoV-2 exist in the WIV then they also exist in far less regulated environments in caves inYunnan province.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.361 · original PDF · in context

2021-01-07 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
I don't think you'd expect this from an imported packet of frozen pangolin.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.368 · original PDF · in context

2021-01-12 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
While you were on leave, I left a message to let you know that we had received another application under the NSW freedom of information legislation, the NSW Government Information (Public Access) Act (the GIPA Act), for information about your work.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.390 · original PDF · in context

2021-01-12 own voice, substantive speaker_own · instructs · chat message
I know you have had an incredibly challenging year and I do apologise for the additional work we have imposed on you with its associated tight timeframes, but we are very grateful for your support.If there is anything we can do to assist your information searches, such as coordinating a Cyber Security search ofemail environments for specific keywords or search terms, please do let me know.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.390 · original PDF · in context

2021-01-14 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
I find it very difficult and have to get off social media as much as I can.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.399 · original PDF · in context

2021-01-15 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
@Robert Garry @Andrew Rambaut @Kristian Andersen Massive shit is about to hit the fan.... [shared file(s): Fwd FACT SHEET Activity at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.pdf]

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.406 · original PDF · in context

2021-01-15 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
The statement about pangolins is ridiculous...and then they throw in the military links....

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.407 · original PDF · in context

2021-01-16 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Makes sense and explains why the China CDC got so angry...and still are.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.409 · original PDF · in context

2021-01-16 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
But the China CDC should have released the data when they had it.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.409 · original PDF · in context

2021-01-16 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Instead, they put down a gag order and shut people up....including the commercial companies that had sequenced it December.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.409 · original PDF · in context

2021-01-19 own voice, substantive speaker_own · reports · chat message
It contains the following paragraphs: "On June 11,2020, a COVID-19 resurgence was reported in Beijing after 56 consecutive days without confirmed local cases inBeijing.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.426 · original PDF · in context

2021-01-22 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
New complete genome tree inc. the Cambodian and new pangolin sequence which is from Yunnan.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.439 · original PDF · in context

2021-01-29 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
At least Petrovsky is trying to do something positive re the vaccine.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.464 · original PDF · in context

2021-01-29 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Apparently the China CDC also have a virus that is 91% similar.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.464 · original PDF · in context

2021-02-03 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
I doubt if the 3 hours the WHO spent at WIV yesterday is going to appease many people.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.476 · original PDF · in context

2021-02-04 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
VOC cases are currently subjected to different quarantine procedures in Australia.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.480 · original PDF · in context

2021-02-06 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
This implies that the WIV will be given the all clear https://apnews.com/article/china-granted-who-full-access-wuhan-52dae25c21db7c80c404251e481f88bc

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.493 · original PDF · in context

2021-02-07 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
I sense that Daszak is increasingly bullish about excluding WIV.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.496 · original PDF · in context

2021-02-08 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Must be what Linfa used in the pangolins, although I assumed they were Thai pangolins as the bat virus in that paper is from Thailand.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.498 · original PDF · in context

2021-02-20 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
The parents of that patient have a link to a different wet market in Wuhan.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.533 · original PDF · in context

2021-02-20 own voice, substantive speaker_own · instructs · chat message
Let's face it, identifying a lab weak from WIV is a Yale lock with a credit card for the security services and yet they have fuck all.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.534 · original PDF · in context

2021-03-01 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
This is like a freedom of information act request: [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-03-02 at 9.38.02am.png]

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.558 · original PDF · in context

2021-03-05 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
And Andrew and I were involved in the HIV polio vaccine origin stuff.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.570 · original PDF · in context

2021-03-05 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
I thought the futon cleavage site was that annoying gap between the cushions on the sofa where your butt sometimes gets stuck. [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-03-06 at 1.35.36 pm.png]

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.570 · original PDF · in context

2021-03-12 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Of course, that bats may be passing the virus to pangolins does nearly show that virus jump between species in nature.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.589 · original PDF · in context

2021-03-21 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
The key point is thatit won't just be bats and pangolins....

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.611 · original PDF · in context

2021-03-21 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Former deputy national security adviser for the Trump administration Matt Pottinger has since confirmed that USintelligence agencies had authorised the release of the information contained in that statement.Mr Asher's revelation that at least one Wuhan Institute of Virology employee required hospitalisation takes the information a step further.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.612 · original PDF · in context

2021-03-23 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
The reality is that the only shot the west had at looking at WIV was the WHO trip and that was a one off.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.622 · original PDF · in context

2021-03-29 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Good questions My take on the whole thing is that they clearly think there's an intermediate host and they are holding up the marketas an example of the trade that leads to this transmission Daszak clearly thinks it the market which is why he sent me the video There's a lot on the market in the main doc - 2 journos told me they had the same impression

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.657 · original PDF · in context

2021-03-31 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
The WIV claim that (i) all their staff were PCR/antibody negative to SARS-CoV-2 and (ii) that they don't have a virus more closely related to SARS-CoV-2 than RaTG13.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.667 · original PDF · in context

2021-03-31 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
And it's not just the Chinese govt that are misleading as Pompeo rants, but scientists at WIV who publish in top journals.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.667 · original PDF · in context

2021-04-02 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
There's definitely a CoV in some of the new pangolin samples Tommy has.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.671 · original PDF · in context

2021-04-05 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
I'm also confused by the WHO report from November which said their were live wild mammals present at the market prior to Dec. 31, 2019 and the latest study team report which takes the market authority and one Huanan manager'sword for it that there were no live wild mammals at the market at that time.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.679 · original PDF · in context

2021-04-05 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
The owner of the Huanan market and this other market himself is quite problematic from a potential wildlifetrafficking perspective, but I can't say much about what I know there at the moment.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.679 · original PDF · in context

2021-04-05 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
They were there when the WHO team was there at Huanan, but apparently no one talked to them.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.679 · original PDF · in context

2021-04-05 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Everyone around that we spoke with knew they kept pangolins there.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.680 · original PDF · in context

2021-04-07 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
From Zhang "More works are needed for the intermediate hosts.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.685 · original PDF · in context

2021-04-14 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Fascinating biology though: those supposed cases at WIV were in November, which means that the initial incubation period was 2 months from the initial lab leak.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.703 · original PDF · in context

2021-04-15 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Zhengli has sampled more bats and identified a new lineage among the Sarbecovirus subgenus.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.705 · original PDF · in context

2021-04-15 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Here's the actual statement from me about the miners (what was in an email to him that I did not know was going to be quoted and he never told me this): "The researchers at the WIV state that they have not closer virus to SARS-CoV-2 than RaTG13, and RaTG13 is clearly not the source of SARS-CoV-2 (it's far too distant).

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.709 · original PDF · in context

2021-04-15 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
Billy's in for a surprise when the new pangolin data is published

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.709 · original PDF · in context

2021-04-15 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
No surprise that Ape Boy fails to remember that the first Guangdong pangolin CoV was published BEFORE the pandemic started.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.710 · original PDF · in context

2021-04-23 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
He's certainly right about rescue centres (which is of course where the pangolins ended up).

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.727 · original PDF · in context

2021-04-27 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
That's an important article Bob - tacit administration by the intelligence community that they have nothing.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.730 · original PDF · in context

2021-04-28 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
The first one, about The Boss of the Huanan market, is coming together.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.736 · original PDF · in context

2021-04-30 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
I can't see WIV releasing any info as it will be a loss of face.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.740 · original PDF · in context

2021-05-03 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
So, if people, such as the China CDC, have been sampling bats in Yunnan and other Chinese provinces then they must be detecting coronaviruses.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.745 · original PDF · in context

2021-05-03 own voice, substantive speaker_own · asserts · chat message
The China CDC had no interest in this until after the pandemic started.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.745 · original PDF · in context