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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.409 [SLACK_000623] · slack_pm:msg:04224

Date: 2021-01-16 02:40
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Edward C. Holmes
Topics: China relations and data access Intelligence community assessments

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Makes sense and explains why the China CDC got so angry...and still are. But the China CDC should have released the data when they had it. Instead, they put down a gag order and shut people up....including the commercial companies that had sequenced it December. That delay probably allowed the virus to really get going.

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Statement	Grade	Attribution	Stance
Makes sense and explains why the China CDC got so angry...and still are.	own voice, substantive	speaker_own	asserts
But the China CDC should have released the data when they had it.	own voice, substantive	speaker_own	asserts
Instead, they put down a gag order and shut people up....including the commercial companies that had sequenced it December.	own voice, substantive	speaker_own	asserts

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Attribution

Stance

Makes sense and explains why the China CDC got so angry...and still are.

own voice, substantive

speaker_own

asserts

But the China CDC should have released the data when they had it.

own voice, substantive

speaker_own

asserts

Instead, they put down a gag order and shut people up....including the commercial companies that had sequenced it December.

own voice, substantive

speaker_own

asserts

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2021-01-16 02:24 Andrew Rambaut open

@Eddie Holmes My guess is they are using the submission date/time (which is listed as 10th) but the GISAID site didn't go live until the 12th.
2021-01-16 02:26 Andrew Rambaut open

@Eddie Holmes I think they must have been quickly developing the database for a while before then (they would have had to have known what the virus was to create it).
2021-01-16 02:27 Andrew Rambaut open

@Eddie Holmes I am guessing it was planned to be timed with a press conference at the WHO or something but your virological post forced their hand.
2021-01-16 02:28 Andrew Rambaut open

@Eddie Holmes Hence the back channel thing I heard from Trevor that the WHO was saying it had been 'leaked'.
2021-01-16 02:40 Edward C. Holmes

Makes sense and explains why the China CDC got so angry...and still are. But the China CDC should have released the data when they had it. Instead, they put down a gag order and shut people up....including the commercial companies that had sequenced it December. That delay probably allowed the virus to really get going.
2021-01-16 02:44 Edward C. Holmes open

Also does not excuse GISAID trying to rewrite history.

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