Lab-leak / accidental release hypothesis

The only new data presented were partial protection against the engineered virus with antivirals (cidofovir).

Reading Room Production, p.374 · original PDF · in context

My approach has been to keep pushing how plausible it is and ignore anything that is trying toset up lab origins without actual evidence.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.77 · original PDF · in context

We have all the documentation to back up what happened and he'd look like a total knob for trying to suppress discussion of lab origins.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.115 · original PDF · in context

They are not really thinking lab origins, more the wildlife trade/wet market angle.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.194 · original PDF · in context

Then, you have the made in a lab crowd, the accidental release crowd [sorta like Hooper], the Plandemiccults and the deniers pouring out from the woodwork and from under their rocks.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.195 · original PDF · in context

As if on cue - this evening - Chan trying and failing to make a point about Yan, "Yan did not have a smoking gun for lab origins.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.277 · original PDF · in context

And being that not only are all my old contacts at NSA already looking into this, but I grew up in the DC area and have loads of contacts in other parts of the government who are all looped in too, and very intently watching who's helping the CPP cover-up their accidental release of what's effectively abio-weapon.I'm only contacting you, like I have Peter Daszak and others, so that during your sentencing phrase you won't beable to plead ignorance to your part in this.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.294 · original PDF · in context

Ron Fouchier via second hand quotes [who was most vocal that PO1 should not even mention lab origins] doesn't come off all that great either. https://www.virology.ws/2012/07/10/origin-of-the-h5n1-storm/

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.337 · original PDF · in context

I'm glad Alina is such a great expert on so many important topics - whether it be lab leak detection or whether people should sample from bats or not.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.358 · original PDF · in context

You have to believe that they were tuning this particular virus up by passaging in cell culture and/or inserting the FCS, when theyinadvertently released it on the world through a lab accident.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.361 · original PDF · in context

Which is why people saying that a lab origin is not a conspiracy theory are completely wrong - including Bloom, Bedford etc.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.493 · original PDF · in context

I'm definitely on tape saying lab origins are conspiracy theories.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.494 · original PDF · in context

Also blow up the notion that lab origins is not a conspiracy theory.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.499 · original PDF · in context

Sorry about this Bob but I am not too fond of the current structure of the piece - the intro is brief, the results technical and then the lab origins stuff is sprung in the discussion and dominates.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.517 · original PDF · in context

And yes - will make the lab leak/tinfoil hat crowd's heads collectively explode.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.583 · original PDF · in context

You can see why people want it to be a lab leak - this is much more scary.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.608 · original PDF · in context

Twitter is on fire with scientists pushing for the lab leak theory too.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.615 · original PDF · in context

That one is an inactivated vaccine so if that has 2P, then definitely lab leak!

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.618 · original PDF · in context

Yes, as we said, we considereda lab leak a very real and serious possibility, no, that does not change our conclusions [add new stuff from WHO report].

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.620 · original PDF · in context

The combo of being anti-lab leak, spot on when it comes to the science, while also playing bluegrass and being fromFort Worth, Texas, I don't know man...

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.625 · original PDF · in context

Yeah, I get the sense that the Chinese are trying to deflect as much as possible away from the market, not being concerned with the lab leak because they know it didn't come from there.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.657 · original PDF · in context

Lab leak conspiracy theories have to ignore that fact that the majority of cases were linked to markets (plural) where animals susceptible to SC2 were/are sold.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.659 · original PDF · in context

China may mot like this spotlight ontheir traditional dining, preferring the frozen fish outa China memes, but give the WHO team credit for putting the data (like in @Kristian Andersen 11:57 post) in sufficient detail to allow others including !channel address the lab leak conspiracies.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.659 · original PDF · in context

I'm pretty convinced the obfuscation has to do with this though - they could care less about a lab leak, but if this is aresult of wildlife farming and borderline illegal activities, then that's a problem domestically and internationally.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.680 · original PDF · in context

Fascinating biology though: those supposed cases at WIV were in November, which means that the initial incubation period was 2 months from the initial lab leak.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.703 · original PDF · in context

For those tinfoil hats saying we never seriously considered a lab leak, I just found this old beauty from May of last year...

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.748 · original PDF · in context

I wouldn't play nice with Lab Leakers - they all have something else going on.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.753 · original PDF · in context

Now they have _Science_ throwing it's considerable cachet behind Lab Leak .

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.770 · original PDF · in context

*Discussion* Lab Leak scenarios are inconsistent with several established facts regarding the origin of SARS-CoV-2.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.780 · original PDF · in context

Proponents of the Lab Leak theory will point out that none of the animals sold at the Huanan Market tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 (WHO, 2021).

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.780 · original PDF · in context

(WHO, 2021).A hybrid of natural and Lab Leak scenarios suggests that SARS-CoV-2 is a natural virus that infected a scientist while doing field work or other personnel after being brought back to a laboratory where it was stored or propagatedand then released unknowingly (Relman, 2020; Baker, 2020).

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.780 · original PDF · in context

The authors miss many points - the WHO was not an 'investigation', but a study of origins; that even if a lab leak it is still an animal source; an external forensic examination of a lab would never be acceptable in China/Russia/US/UK etc; the lab hypothesis is not excluded inthe report, just ranked lower than the others.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.780 · original PDF · in context

To this day, no credible evidence has been presented to support the lab leak hypothesis, which remains grounded inspeculation.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.782 · original PDF · in context

The Lab Leak hypotheses are based on the supposition of a major cover up and complex conspiracy perpetrated bysome of the world's leading virologists.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.792 · original PDF · in context

Just throwing this out: One way to break a summary down is: 1. evidence for natural origin 2. evidence against lab origin or some variation of this.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.811 · original PDF · in context

I can guarantee you that if H1N1 had been worse, the lab leak theory of its origin would also not have gone away.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.818 · original PDF · in context

Don McNeill https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-lab-leak-theory-f4f88446b04d O found this bit most interesting @Eddie Holmes "Of those swabs, about six percent were positive for the virus, according to Xinhua, China's state news agency.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.824 · original PDF · in context

Again the Politifact article - "The lab leak theory is distinct from the hypothesis that gain-of-function research created the new coronavirus, said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of Harvard University and theMassachusetts Institute of Technology.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.832 · original PDF · in context

So, if a virologist takes a field trip to Southern China and gets infected *FROM ANOTHER PERSON* that is somehow a Lab Leak.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.832 · original PDF · in context

That's just Bill - I'd call this only very mild by Bill's standards (you've now seen the other end of the scale). *For surehe is 100% sincere about the last few sentences." I told him that you just were simply interested in keeping virological to the science, which lab leak clearly is not, and not to the personal stuff.I would not give it another thought.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.843 · original PDF · in context

It really is important - the issue isn't about lab leak, it's about that they _must_ have had the virus prior to the pandemic, which (a) is hugely unlikely and (b) there's absolutely zero evidence for - in fact, the evidence quite strongly suggest they didn't!

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.862 · original PDF · in context

And all shit that hit the fan afterwards...none of that was about a possible lab leak either.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.864 · original PDF · in context

USG, WHO etc. realize they are not going to get any cooperation from China onany type of lab leak investigation.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.865 · original PDF · in context

Some variations on a hybrid (natural/lab leak) scenario suggest that SARS-CoV-2 is a natural virus that infected ascientist while doing field work resulting in mildly symptomatic or asymptomatic spread or that after being brought back to a laboratory SARS-CoV-2 was released unknowingly, but not successfully cultured or otherwise manipulated.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.869 · original PDF · in context

It's fair to say in the case of both that their take on Lab Leak is driven by a strong Anti-China bias.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.875 · original PDF · in context

However, over the past couple of days given the amount of speculation about the possibility of a lab leak I have been saying that no one is 100% certain of the origin including me and so I am calling for a thorough investigation.

Tony's Diary Package, p.751 · original PDF · in context

I really should not read this shit. tl/dr lies, lies lies https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/segments/lab-leak-theory-on-the-media

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.881 · original PDF · in context

Simply not true - given current evidence, we can give a very strong statement about how this happened - unless somebody brings credible data about a lab leak, we already know what happened and just need to figure out the exact details.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.889 · original PDF · in context

PRESS: Great article in Wired about the whole controversy: The Covid-19 Lab Leak Theory Is a Tale of Weaponized Uncertainty

Tony's Diary Package, p.754 · original PDF · in context

It had been shut down just a couple of days before.IfI had to cover up a lab leak, that's what I would do - not whatever the fuck is happening right now.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.896 · original PDF · in context

Clearly showed we took the lab leak very seriously - and decided there was nothing to it.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.902 · original PDF · in context

Escape also rare, but not impossible - that is why the Lab leakers focus on that.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.907 · original PDF · in context

I should offer to be a consultant to design a genome that would categorically disprove the lab leak.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.916 · original PDF · in context

I am of course well aware that that is not the intent of your letter, however, it should be clear that it will fan the flames of xenophobia and conspiracy theories - with allegations of a lab leak having no scientific grounding inavailable evidence or data.I hope they're happy.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.928 · original PDF · in context

He did this to indicate that I was not hiding anything because I already knew that this was a possibility and so I didn't change my mind currently by saying that a lab leak is a possibility since I was talking about it openly back then.

Tony's Diary Package, p.766 · original PDF · in context

I'd love to have her explain exactly what version of the lab leak isn't a conspiracy theory - Icertainly can't think of any.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.933 · original PDF · in context

Unlike a lab leak causing a pandemic, that truly may be a first.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.941 · original PDF · in context

June 16, 2021- Global - 176,000,000/3,800,000; USA - 33,300,000/600,000 ● Bob Redfield is out there spouting incorrect information saying that he feels strongly that this was a virus that leaked from a laboratory.

Tony's Diary Package, p.718 · original PDF · in context

The basis of his saying this is that he feels that the virus was so well adapted to humans right from the beginning that it had to have ichelkazatchkine.com 54 AM @niaid.nih.gov> d Central Asia leaked from a lab.

Tony's Diary Package, p.718 · original PDF · in context

He's not overthinking this - Chinese scientist deletes sequences - holy shit it's a cover-up - must be a lab leak.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.949 · original PDF · in context

Virus lab leak theory dogs Democrats eager to keep focus on Trump's Covid failings )0,000/604,000 Democrats worry that murky conclusions that don't identify the origin of the virus could play into the Republicans' hands.

Tony's Diary Package, p.802 · original PDF · in context

I also explained to them the multiple reasons epidemiologically and molecularly why it is almost certain that the virus evolved naturally from a species jump, even though I emphasized that I keep an open mind about the possibility of a lab leak .

Tony's Diary Package, p.804 · original PDF · in context

Nov. 16, 2021 - Global - 253,163,330/5,098,174; USA - 47,145,861/761,426 Michael Hiltzik of the LA Times - Has written another insightful review of the profound weaknesses of the lab leak theory.

Tony's Diary Package, p.922 · original PDF · in context

He exposes Alina Chan of the Broad Institute as someone leaning towards the conspiracy theory who has written a book providing no evidence whatsoever other than conjecture about the lab leak theory (see below).

Tony's Diary Package, p.922 · original PDF · in context

Peter Navarro continues to claim that I am responsible for causing the death of over 4 million people worldwide because I created COVID-19 More and more papers are appearing in the medical literature making it very clear that the outbreak was almost certainly a natural occurrence and not a lab leak.

Tony's Diary Package, p.926 · original PDF · in context

Yet, the 3 stooges (Richard Ebright, David Relman, and Jesse Bloom) are still pushing the lab-leak hypothesis literally based on absolutely no solid evidence, but only conjecture

Tony's Diary Package, p.926 · original PDF · in context

Adds credence to the fact that we should consider a lab leak, but doesn't change any of the data showing it isn't.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.1033 · original PDF · in context

Greg was definitely worried about a lab leak but was more concerned about putting in procedures to improve biosafety and I agree with that.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.1033 · original PDF · in context

I am 70:30 or 60:40."Later emails showed that by February 4, Sir Jeremy had revised his estimate of a laboratory leak to 50:50, while Professor Eddie Holmes, of the University of Sydney, gave a 60:40 estimate in favour of an accidental release.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.1048 · original PDF · in context

IIRC - one of if not the major piece of advice we got onthe teleconf and after was to not even mention Lab Leak.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.1051 · original PDF · in context

The lab leak theory is based on one central coincidence: the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 in a city (Wuhan) that contains a large lab (the Wuhan Institute of Virology) that works on bat coronaviruses.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.1067 · original PDF · in context

But here's the thing - the work at the WIV is _exactly_ why we considered the lab leak in the first place!

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.1101 · original PDF · in context

She's an idiot - if you read PO1 it's clear that lab origin is still on the table.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.1114 · original PDF · in context

These conspiracy theories about cabals of evil virologists are all the Lab Leakers have at this point.

Slack / Private Message Drop, p.1122 · original PDF · in context

June 6, 2022 - Angela Rasmussen did an excellent job of blasting Jeffrey Sachs (and also co-author Richard Ebright) for their article claiming that COVID was due to a lab leak.

Tony's Diary Package, p.947 · original PDF · in context

Had interesting conversation with Brett Baier where he finally admitted that the 2 recent Science papers by Worobey, Andersen, Rasmussen et al convince him that the lab leak theory is really not true.

Tony's Diary Package, p.994 · original PDF · in context

Thacker Sep 15 -------- The Lancet report on COVID by a panel chaired by Jeffrey Sachs has recently come out and inappropriately equated the possibility of a lab leak with that of a natural occurrence of the virus.

Tony's Diary Package, p.1064 · original PDF · in context

The other day DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com I accidentally went on Twitter, and there was a debate on Twitter again over whether it was a lab leak or not, renewed debate.

Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.10 · original PDF · in context

A commentary piece that was published in Immunity, May 2020, that stated, equivocally, DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com that it is unlikely that the lab leak hypothesis will go away because the safety procedures at the WIV, and I cited their paper where they worked with viruses at BSL-2.

Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.110 · original PDF · in context