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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.241 [SLACK_000455] · slack_pm:msg:02514

Date: 2020-10-30 15:00
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Edward C. Holmes
Topics: Wuhan Institute of Virology collaboration Intelligence community assessments

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The collection date sounds totally right. I don't understand why there is a file creation date 2 weeks earlier. Makes nosense at all. And why would BGI know about this? They are a commercial company that have nothing to do with Wuhan. WIV do their sequencing in-house I think.

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They are a commercial company that have nothing to do with Wuhan.	own voice, substantive	speaker_own	asserts
WIV do their sequencing in-house I think.	needs context	uncertain explicit hedge	asserts

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They are a commercial company that have nothing to do with Wuhan.

own voice, substantive

speaker_own

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WIV do their sequencing in-house I think.

needs context

uncertain explicit hedge

asserts

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2020-10-30 14:55 Edward C. Holmes open

So, to be clear, what happened on 12/10? The BGI sent a file to EBI?
2020-10-30 14:56 Kristian G. Andersen open

No, on 12/10 BGI created four data entries with EBI. Data was then later filled in. Typically that's not really how it's done.
2020-10-30 14:57 Kristian G. Andersen open

So creation is 12/10, but upload is at a later date (I don't think we can know when - collection date is 12/26 and the data was released to the public 1/30)
2020-10-30 14:58 Kristian G. Andersen open

Creating a BioSample for a pandemic virus two weeks before it's known that you have a patient with said virus is alittle strange - if the timeline is correct.
2020-10-30 15:00 Edward C. Holmes

The collection date sounds totally right. I don't understand why there is a file creation date 2 weeks earlier. Makes nosense at all. And why would BGI know about this? They are a commercial company that have nothing to do with Wuhan. WIV do their sequencing in-house I think.
2020-10-30 15:03 Kristian G. Andersen open

That's the bit that's strange - because typically you don't create a BioSample before you have the data, unless you know the data is immediately forthcoming and you want to make sure there's no delay in submitting the data.
2020-10-30 15:04 Kristian G. Andersen open

So if those BioSamples were created on, say 12/25, then that's totally what you'd expect - but we're talking two weeks before there was any (official) realization of a novel coronavirus.
2020-10-30 15:05 Edward C. Holmes open

Yes, I don't get it at all. I'm contacting people now. But 2 weeks also sounds WAY too far in advance!
2020-10-30 15:06 Kristian G. Andersen open

Yeah, definitely - very interesting.

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