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Date: 2020-11-18 20:57
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Edward C. Holmes
Topics: Vaccines

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Somebody had some Twitter correspondence with Jon Cohen and presented all the evidence that 1977 H1N1 was a dodgy vaccine. There was a pretty convincing paper that Jon seemed to buy. I did. I'll see if I can find it.

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Somebody had some Twitter correspondence with Jon Cohen and presented all the evidence that 1977 H1N1 was a dodgy vaccine.	own voice, substantive	speaker_own	asserts

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Somebody had some Twitter correspondence with Jon Cohen and presented all the evidence that 1977 H1N1 was a dodgy vaccine.

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2020-11-18 20:49 Edward C. Holmes open

Totally nuts. I can't believe they got away saying that H1N1 of 1977 was a lab escape from China!!! It was actually ashonky vaccination campaign.
2020-11-18 20:51 Kristian G. Andersen open

... I missed that part. I thought it was the Russians - but hey, same thing, right? I can see Alina has gone full-onconspiracy with this too. Good stuff. It'll be hilarious looking back at these tweets in a couple of years.
2020-11-18 20:53 Kristian G. Andersen open

Hah! We have Joel to thank for the China emergence of H1N1 :wink: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0011184
2020-11-18 20:53 Kristian G. Andersen open

(I know he's been working on SARS-CoV-2 to look at origins - interested to see what he comes up with).
2020-11-18 20:57 Edward C. Holmes

Somebody had some Twitter correspondence with Jon Cohen and presented all the evidence that 1977 H1N1 was a dodgy vaccine. There was a pretty convincing paper that Jon seemed to buy. I did. I'll see if I can find it.
2020-11-18 20:58 Edward C. Holmes open

Plus, that Nature Addendum makes all the miners story totally out-of-date.
2020-11-18 21:20 Kristian G. Andersen open

Yeah, 1977 is definitely an escape - and likely linked to vaccine work. I thought in Russia though.
2020-11-18 21:35 Edward C. Holmes open

This is what I was thinking of: [shared file(s): mBio-2015-Rozo-e01013-15.full.pdf]
2020-11-18 21:36 Edward C. Holmes open

Suggests is a dodgy vaccine trial NOT an escape.

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