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Date
2021-03-31 18:20
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Edward C. Holmes
Topics
Wuhan Institute of Virology collaborationLab-leak / accidental release hypothesis

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The WIV claim that (i) all their staff were PCR/antibody negative to SARS-CoV-2 and (ii) that they don't have a virus more closely related to SARS-CoV-2 than RaTG13. If those two facts are true then the WIV cannot be the source ofSARS-CoV-2. If these facts are not true then the scientists at WIV are lying. It's as simple as that. And it's not just the Chinese govt that are misleading as Pompeo rants, but scientists at WIV who publish in top journals.

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The WIV claim that (i) all their staff were PCR/antibody negative to SARS-CoV-2 and (ii) that they don't have a virus more closely related to SARS-CoV-2 than RaTG13. own voice, substantive speaker_own asserts
If those two facts are true then the WIV cannot be the source ofSARS-CoV-2. quoted / not their view hypothetical conditional framing asserts
If these facts are not true then the scientists at WIV are lying. quoted / not their view hypothetical conditional framing denies
And it's not just the Chinese govt that are misleading as Pompeo rants, but scientists at WIV who publish in top journals. own voice, substantive speaker_own asserts

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  1. 2021-03-31 18:20 Edward C. Holmes
    The WIV claim that (i) all their staff were PCR/antibody negative to SARS-CoV-2 and (ii) that they don't have a virus more closely related to SARS-CoV-2 than RaTG13. If those two facts are true then the WIV cannot be the source ofSARS-CoV-2. If these facts are not true then the scientists at WIV are lying. It's as simple as that. And it's not just the Chinese govt that are misleading as Pompeo rants, but scientists at WIV who publish in top journals.
  2. 2021-03-31 18:49 Robert F. Garry open
    *"It's as simple as that."* Could not agree more! Before the freaking pandemic they would have had zero motive tolie. On the contrary they would have had every incentive to publish ASAP on a new novel betacov related toSARS-CoV-1.
  3. 2021-03-31 18:50 Edward C. Holmes open
    Exactly!!
  4. 2021-03-31 19:00 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Yup. And it's not just scientists at the WIV that would have to be lying - it's a whooooole lot of other people too. Also key - "that they don't have a virus more closely related to SARS-CoV-2 than RaTG13" - it's not even that - they don't even have _that_ virus, only the sequence. When we started looking into this there was no intel and hence it was more than appropriate to consider a lab leak apossibility. However, after one year, there's still no intel - and we're finding related viruses all over the place. Had itreally been a lab leak, I seriously doubt they would have been able to cover this up - if they did, great job, yougraduated spook school.
  5. 2021-03-31 19:04 Edward C. Holmes open
    Totally. If the State Dept/Security services have evidence of nefarious activities at the WIV then they should publishit. Please show the the results of all your security investigations. It's all very well bashing the WHO without releasing their own data. Put up or shut up.

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