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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.709 [SLACK_000923] · slack_pm:msg:07435

Date: 2021-04-15 14:40
Type: chat message · slack
mentioned: Kristian G. Andersen
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Edward C. Holmes
Topics: Wuhan Institute of Virology collaboration

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@Kristian Andersen Just read you email. It's great! Thanks. I've just let Jackson have it with both barrels incl. the USyd legal team. Here's the actual statement from me about the miners (what was in an email to him that I did not know was going to be quoted and he never told me this): "The researchers at the WIV state that they have not closer virus to SARS-CoV-2 than RaTG13, and RaTG13 is clearly not the source of SARS-CoV-2 (it's far too distant). Tome, these statements ring true because they would have very likely already published the sequence of any such virus if it had existed, particularly a virus that they would then do more work on. As such, the miners story tells usnothing about the emergence of SARS-CoV-2."

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Here's the actual statement from me about the miners (what was in an email to him that I did not know was going to be quoted and he never told me this): "The researchers at the WIV state that they have not closer virus to SARS-CoV-2 than RaTG13, and RaTG13 is clearly not the source of SARS-CoV-2 (it's far too distant).	own voice, substantive	speaker_own	asserts

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Here's the actual statement from me about the miners (what was in an email to him that I did not know was going to be quoted and he never told me this): "The researchers at the WIV state that they have not closer virus to SARS-CoV-2 than RaTG13, and RaTG13 is clearly not the source of SARS-CoV-2 (it's far too distant).

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2021-04-15 13:58 Andrew Rambaut open

Currently recommending B.1.351 and B.1.1.7+E484K are taken forward - keeping options open for more.
2021-04-15 14:12 Andrew Rambaut open

@Eddie Holmes and @Kristian Andersen - you guys have talked to Anjana Ahuja for Jeremy's book? How was it?
2021-04-15 14:26 Kristian G. Andersen open

Just imagine what the 'variant' landscape is going to look like in three years from now if we don't dramaticallydecrease transmission... We're going to have huge number of co-circulating lineages - now's the time to ensure that doesn't happen... Yeah, Anjana was great and I had a fun chat with her - worth talking to her as she knows a lot of the background.
2021-04-15 14:37 Edward C. Holmes open

Yes, she's good. It's going to be a great book.
2021-04-15 14:40 Edward C. Holmes

@Kristian Andersen Just read you email. It's great! Thanks. I've just let Jackson have it with both barrels incl. the USyd legal team. Here's the actual statement from me about the miners (what was in an email to him that I did not know was going to be quoted and he never told me this): "The researchers at the WIV state that they have not closer virus to SARS-CoV-2 than RaTG13, and RaTG13 is clearly not the source of SARS-CoV-2 (it's far too distant). Tome, these statements ring true because they would have very likely already published the sequence of any such virus if it had existed, particularly a virus that they would then do more work on. As such, the miners story tells usnothing about the emergence of SARS-CoV-2."
2021-04-15 14:42 Kristian G. Andersen open

And you are absolutely right - "the miners story tells us nothing about the emergence of SARS-CoV-2". I definitely hope legal takes this on - libel, no question.
2021-04-15 14:44 Kristian G. Andersen open

@Robert Garry Archiving a PDF version here. [shared file(s): How the coronavirus origin story is being rewritten bya guerrilla Twitter group - CNET.pdf]
2021-04-15 14:46 Edward C. Holmes open

I'm keen to see his response.
2021-04-15 14:52 Robert F. Garry open

Zhengli also stated in a public talk a month or so ago - the one in which Metzl harangued her about the CCP army -that the eight or nine distantly related coronaviruses they found in the mine and just haven't yet worked up are are part of an upcoming publication. More disappointment for Metzl et al who believe are these mine viruses are smoking guns.

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