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Date
2021-01-14 16:17
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Kristian G. Andersen

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I believe this was just after receiving second shots - but importantly, in the presence of strong IgG anti-S titers.

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  1. 2021-01-14 16:03 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Angie is indeed tough as nails - true hero! I *do* wonder if she has a hard time dealing with all the shit she must begetting - she _is_ moving to Canada after all. Can't blame for for leaving this dumpster fire - I'd do the same in aheartbeat if anybody up north wanted me.
  2. 2021-01-14 16:04 Edward C. Holmes open
    There's an opening at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Labs were recently renovated and cleaned.
  3. 2021-01-14 16:06 Kristian G. Andersen open
    > Yes - they do. But I think they can't get there by progressive steps in sequential infections - there are troughs(we see all of these mutations appear individually many times). Agreed. The way I'm thinking about this is that there must be an initial selection pressure that drives the fixation ofthose mutations - almost certainly, that selection pressure is intrahost. Once that variant is out - and it's more transmissible / able to evade immunity - then it's a different selection pressure driving its fixation in the population. Itoo just think there's a really unfortunate relationship between really fit intrahost, means you're really fit in the larger population. Separately, two vaccine failures en route to our lab - I sure as shit hope these are not B117! (they'reepidemiologically connected...).
  4. 2021-01-14 16:14 Andrew Rambaut open
    How long after vaccination?
  5. 2021-01-14 16:17 Kristian G. Andersen
    I believe this was just after receiving second shots - but importantly, in the presence of strong IgG anti-S titers.
  6. 2021-01-14 16:18 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Don't know if these titers are neuts though - something we need to test. We have a bunch inbound from Jordan too, but those are failures from one of the Chinese vaccines.
  7. 2021-01-14 16:23 Andrew Rambaut open
    All vaccine failures in the UK will automatically go for sequencing - I am hopeful we will be told which ones they are but who knows.
  8. 2021-01-14 16:24 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Yeah, going to be really important over the next couple of months to understand what's going on here. The immunologists seem very (VERY!) sure there is no problem with the UK/RSA/Brazil lineages when it comes to immunity. I'm less certain.
  9. 2021-01-14 16:26 Andrew Rambaut open
    I agree. If these constellations have no effect on vaccine elicited immunity then boy will we have dodged a bullet.

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