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Date
2021-01-14 16:26
Type
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recipient
Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes
speaker
Andrew Rambaut
Topics
Vaccines

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I agree. If these constellations have no effect on vaccine elicited immunity then boy will we have dodged a bullet.

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  1. 2021-01-14 16:17 Kristian G. Andersen open
    I believe this was just after receiving second shots - but importantly, in the presence of strong IgG anti-S titers.
  2. 2021-01-14 16:18 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Don't know if these titers are neuts though - something we need to test. We have a bunch inbound from Jordan too, but those are failures from one of the Chinese vaccines.
  3. 2021-01-14 16:23 Andrew Rambaut open
    All vaccine failures in the UK will automatically go for sequencing - I am hopeful we will be told which ones they are but who knows.
  4. 2021-01-14 16:24 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Yeah, going to be really important over the next couple of months to understand what's going on here. The immunologists seem very (VERY!) sure there is no problem with the UK/RSA/Brazil lineages when it comes to immunity. I'm less certain.
  5. 2021-01-14 16:26 Andrew Rambaut
    I agree. If these constellations have no effect on vaccine elicited immunity then boy will we have dodged a bullet.
  6. 2021-01-14 16:27 Kristian G. Andersen open
    I'm almost certain they'll have _some_ effect on efficacy, but just not sure how much. Let's hope very little (say, 95%> 92%...)
  7. 2021-01-14 16:27 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Lord knows what the effectiveness is going to be anyway. We'll see...
  8. 2021-01-14 16:31 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Tangential to this, but important to fully understand just how tolerant SARS-CoV-2 is to mutations in immunologicallykey sites - HCoV-NL63 uses ACE2 as a receptor too and is very diverged from SC2. @Robert Garry - I don't know ifyou have looked more closely at that virus going through your alignments / structures?
  9. 2021-01-14 16:56 Robert F. Garry open
    YeaH do think there will be failures for the vaccines that don't use a stabilized spike. Erica Saphire and others have been preaching this, some folks don't listen. Same with Lassa vaccine, but that's an entirely different story. BTW - Iwas on call yesterday with Erica/NIH so I missed several Zooms.

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