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Private channel session 1477

39 messages over 4h 53m, 2021-06-04 – 2021-06-04.

A “conversation” here is an activity session — a run of messages with under 60 minutes of silence inside it. The channel had no native conversation boundaries.

  1. 2021-06-04 11:46 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.918
    Hah. https://twitter.com/amymaxmen/status/1400878604636942337?s=20
  2. 2021-06-04 12:27 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.918
    Listening to her Podcast - interesting....
  3. 2021-06-04 12:46 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.918
    Amy is so good.
  4. 2021-06-04 13:12 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.918
    Wade is a serious asshole. Damn. [shared file(s): Fauci Email Bolsters the Lab-Leak Theory - WSJ.pdf]
  5. 2021-06-04 13:45 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.918
    He's a piece of shit.
  6. 2021-06-04 13:49 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.918
    Can't believe the WIV had pangolins and there is serological evidence for SARS related viruses in these animals going back some years. Certainly a possibility that markets had them and we know from the gamey tastes project that sick pangolins were being sold across China.
  7. 2021-06-04 13:50 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.918
    I have a really hard time believing WIV had them - but I can totally believe the wildlife rescue center might have. Itwould provide SUCH an easy path - dead pangolin no good, let's sell dead pangolin to make good money > helloCOVID-19.
  8. 2021-06-04 13:51 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.918
    FCS is an Umbrella Man. Real scientists accumulate data - analysis - consider options - test hypotheses.
  9. 2021-06-04 13:52 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.918
    Yup, and you know what, that allows us to actually get to the bottom of how things work and not just rely on gutreactions.
  10. 2021-06-04 14:04 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.918
    Does he seriously want to know how she has questioned my research integrity?! [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-06-05 at 7.03.07 am.png]
  11. 2021-06-04 14:09 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.919
    No point... Also, Antonio is a giant idiot and works closely with Rowan Jacobsen, so I'm sure his story about Alina is going to bea love story about how she single handedly stood firm against conspiring virologists.
  12. 2021-06-04 14:10 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.919
    Hobsen's choice. Answer and you get sucked into the Alina BS and are still at the mercy of the reporter. Don't answer and you get sucked into the Alina BS and are still at the mercy of the reporter.
  13. 2021-06-04 14:11 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.919
    Yes, of course it will. He even answered his own question by mentioned the pangolin papers which she claims are dodgy. I'm not answering this garbage.
  14. 2021-06-04 14:12 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.919
    Third choice tell him you will talk to him off the record on background then send him all the Alina Bullshit. It would bemy pleasure to help you compile it.
  15. 2021-06-04 14:20 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.919
    Not answering probably the best choice of the three - let him stew. He really doesn't have a story re Eddie Holmes UNLESS Eddie Holmes responds.
  16. 2021-06-04 14:36 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.919
    When he wrote to me previously I said I was not going to talk to him because Rowan was giving oxygen to someone who has questioned my research integrity. I stand by that. I'm just not going to reply as anything is oxygen to them. When I wrote to the Broad I included these 3 tweets which are pretty clear:
  17. 2021-06-04 14:36 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.919
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  20. 2021-06-04 14:37 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.919
    I am an author of these papers and she directly mentions 'severe research integrity'.
  21. 2021-06-04 14:37 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.919
    However, Bob, if you have other good examples they would be great to have for the future.
  22. 2021-06-04 15:06 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.919
    I'll look -those are the most important...
  23. 2021-06-04 15:21 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.920
    You got the majors - here are a few others parked here for context. Angie may have some more it seems. [shared file(s): image.png, image.png, image.png, image.png, image.png]
  24. 2021-06-04 15:21 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.920
    She also asked Nick Loman on Twitter if I was an original author on the Nature paper. She's bloody evil.
  25. 2021-06-04 15:24 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.920
    Thanks Bob! She's spectacularly stupid. Look at the Boston Magazine: [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-06-05 at 7.46.09 am.png]
  26. 2021-06-04 15:27 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.920
    She claims that the pangolin virus may have been contracted from their smugglers. So, in 2019 before the pandemic started smugglers in southern China in were infected by a virus that is related to, but not the same as, SARS-CoV-2, and then infected pangolins.
  27. 2021-06-04 15:30 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.920
    Totally WRONG to say that the Lam et al. paper just uses the first paper's (Liu et al....published before the pandemic) data.
  28. 2021-06-04 15:52 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.920
    I've seen this behavior before - no compunction against lying - loves the spotlight - massive [undeserved] ego. She'llfly too close to the sun and the wings will melt - the crash will be hard - the problem is she can do and is doing a lot -a lot - of damage along the way.
  29. 2021-06-04 15:53 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.920
    Long game - the tide will turn - may sound trite even a bit arrogant - BUT we have science on our side. Of that I'm confident.
  30. 2021-06-04 16:02 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.920
    Me too Bob. Just makes my blood boil. Anyway, I'm going to ignore that journo.
  31. 2021-06-04 16:07 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.920
    Another common trait of this phenotype - they can get journos to write love letters. [shared file(s): A virus hunterfaces the big one_ Ebola - The Washington Post.pdf]
  32. 2021-06-04 16:12 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.920
    This made me fall over... :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-06-04 at 4.12.20 PM.png]
  33. 2021-06-04 16:21 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.920
    It's in these rare moments that twitter is actually of some value.
  34. 2021-06-04 16:21 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.920
    Love it!
  35. 2021-06-04 16:23 Kristian G. Andersen open PDF p.921
    Alex has some really good one-liners - I'm pretty sure he spends fifteen minutes each day saying, "alright, time tofuck with some of the nutters before a beer".
  36. 2021-06-04 16:29 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.921
    I'd do the same - probably with less finesse - except instead of 15 minutes a day it could well be 15 hours - it's thatobsessive thing...
  37. 2021-06-04 16:29 Robert F. Garry open PDF p.921
    That why no twitter for me.
  38. 2021-06-04 16:31 Andrew Rambaut open PDF p.921
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  39. 2021-06-04 16:39 Edward C. Holmes open PDF p.921
    I agree Bob. I'm now done with Twitter. Have deleted it from my devices.