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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.920 [SLACK_001134] · slack_pm:msg:09548

Date: 2021-06-04 15:27
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Edward C. Holmes
Topics: Monkeypox sample smuggling case Natural origin / zoonotic spillover

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She claims that the pangolin virus may have been contracted from their smugglers. So, in 2019 before the pandemic started smugglers in southern China in were infected by a virus that is related to, but not the same as, SARS-CoV-2, and then infected pangolins.

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She claims that the pangolin virus may have been contracted from their smugglers.	quoted / not their view	paraphrase_third_party reporting frame: 'She claims'	asserts
So, in 2019 before the pandemic started smugglers in southern China in were infected by a virus that is related to, but not the same as, SARS-CoV-2, and then infected pangolins.	quoted / not their view	quoted_external attribution frame: 'She claims'	asserts

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She claims that the pangolin virus may have been contracted from their smugglers.

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So, in 2019 before the pandemic started smugglers in southern China in were infected by a virus that is related to, but not the same as, SARS-CoV-2, and then infected pangolins.

quoted / not their view

quoted_external attribution frame: 'She claims'

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2021-06-04 15:06 Robert F. Garry open

I'll look -those are the most important...
2021-06-04 15:21 Robert F. Garry open

You got the majors - here are a few others parked here for context. Angie may have some more it seems. [shared file(s): image.png, image.png, image.png, image.png, image.png]
2021-06-04 15:21 Edward C. Holmes open

She also asked Nick Loman on Twitter if I was an original author on the Nature paper. She's bloody evil.
2021-06-04 15:24 Edward C. Holmes open

Thanks Bob! She's spectacularly stupid. Look at the Boston Magazine: [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-06-05 at 7.46.09 am.png]
2021-06-04 15:27 Edward C. Holmes

She claims that the pangolin virus may have been contracted from their smugglers. So, in 2019 before the pandemic started smugglers in southern China in were infected by a virus that is related to, but not the same as, SARS-CoV-2, and then infected pangolins.
2021-06-04 15:30 Edward C. Holmes open

Totally WRONG to say that the Lam et al. paper just uses the first paper's (Liu et al....published before the pandemic) data.
2021-06-04 15:52 Robert F. Garry open

I've seen this behavior before - no compunction against lying - loves the spotlight - massive [undeserved] ego. She'llfly too close to the sun and the wings will melt - the crash will be hard - the problem is she can do and is doing a lot -a lot - of damage along the way.
2021-06-04 15:53 Robert F. Garry open

Long game - the tide will turn - may sound trite even a bit arrogant - BUT we have science on our side. Of that I'm confident.
2021-06-04 16:02 Edward C. Holmes open

Me too Bob. Just makes my blood boil. Anyway, I'm going to ignore that journo.

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