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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.918 [SLACK_001132] · slack_pm:msg:09528

Date: 2021-06-04 13:49
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Edward C. Holmes
Topics: Natural origin / zoonotic spillover Wuhan Institute of Virology collaboration

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Can't believe the WIV had pangolins and there is serological evidence for SARS related viruses in these animals going back some years. Certainly a possibility that markets had them and we know from the gamey tastes project that sick pangolins were being sold across China.

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Statement	Grade	Attribution	Stance
Can't believe the WIV had pangolins and there is serological evidence for SARS related viruses in these animals going back some years.	needs context	speaker_own	asserts
Certainly a possibility that markets had them and we know from the gamey tastes project that sick pangolins were being sold across China.	own voice, substantive	speaker_own	asserts

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Can't believe the WIV had pangolins and there is serological evidence for SARS related viruses in these animals going back some years.

needs context

speaker_own

asserts

Certainly a possibility that markets had them and we know from the gamey tastes project that sick pangolins were being sold across China.

own voice, substantive

speaker_own

asserts

In context

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2021-06-04 12:27 Robert F. Garry open

Listening to her Podcast - interesting....
2021-06-04 12:46 Kristian G. Andersen open

Amy is so good.
2021-06-04 13:12 Robert F. Garry open

Wade is a serious asshole. Damn. [shared file(s): Fauci Email Bolsters the Lab-Leak Theory - WSJ.pdf]
2021-06-04 13:45 Edward C. Holmes open

He's a piece of shit.
2021-06-04 13:49 Edward C. Holmes

Can't believe the WIV had pangolins and there is serological evidence for SARS related viruses in these animals going back some years. Certainly a possibility that markets had them and we know from the gamey tastes project that sick pangolins were being sold across China.
2021-06-04 13:50 Kristian G. Andersen open

I have a really hard time believing WIV had them - but I can totally believe the wildlife rescue center might have. Itwould provide SUCH an easy path - dead pangolin no good, let's sell dead pangolin to make good money > helloCOVID-19.
2021-06-04 13:51 Robert F. Garry open

FCS is an Umbrella Man. Real scientists accumulate data - analysis - consider options - test hypotheses.
2021-06-04 13:52 Kristian G. Andersen open

Yup, and you know what, that allows us to actually get to the bottom of how things work and not just rely on gutreactions.
2021-06-04 14:04 Edward C. Holmes open

Does he seriously want to know how she has questioned my research integrity?! [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-06-05 at 7.03.07 am.png]

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