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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.643 [SLACK_000857] · slack_pm:msg:06739

Date: 2021-03-27 07:56
Type: chat message · slack
mentioned: Edward C. Holmes
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Robert F. Garry
Topics: Natural origin / zoonotic spillover

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Here's another key point that @Eddie Holmes made a year ago and its stuck with me. The culling of the animals atthe Huanan Market was a perfectly reasonable thing to do - in fact the correct thing to do from a Pubic Healthstandpoint. It was obvious that the market was a focus of spread so going in and disinecting and sacking the animalsto save lives was the right move. Sure -in hindsight - we can lament the fact that it was a missed opportunity todirectly swab infected animals. But, the epi so abundantly clear that they judged that wasn't necessary - shutting down the source of infections - and cases with links to the market showed up over one month - was a prudent move.

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2021-03-27 07:32 Robert F. Garry open

@Kristian Andersen does a great job with CBS of making the point about teh animals at the market that literally blow-up the lab leak theories. "We know that the first epidemiologically linked cluster of cases came from the Huanan market and we know the virus was found in environmental samples -- including animal cages -- at the market," he said. "Any 'lab leak' theory would have to account for that scenario -- which it simply can't, without invoking a major conspiracy and cover up by Chinese scientists and authorities."
2021-03-27 07:34 Robert F. Garry open

Eddie's raccoon dogs plus the CNN video blow-up the assertion by Jacobson, Alina et al that there weren't any mammals at the Huanan Market.
2021-03-27 07:38 Robert F. Garry open

Also good to point out that the fact that some of the earlier cases in Wuhan also had links to other Wet Markets - nota stretch to believe that a batch of infected or cross-infected animals was distributed from South China seedingHuanan and other markets.
2021-03-27 07:40 Robert F. Garry open

Lineage A to B shift also key point of discussion IMO.
2021-03-27 07:56 Robert F. Garry

Here's another key point that @Eddie Holmes made a year ago and its stuck with me. The culling of the animals atthe Huanan Market was a perfectly reasonable thing to do - in fact the correct thing to do from a Pubic Healthstandpoint. It was obvious that the market was a focus of spread so going in and disinecting and sacking the animalsto save lives was the right move. Sure -in hindsight - we can lament the fact that it was a missed opportunity todirectly swab infected animals. But, the epi so abundantly clear that they judged that wasn't necessary - shutting down the source of infections - and cases with links to the market showed up over one month - was a prudent move.
2021-03-27 08:03 Robert F. Garry open

It's just my opinion, but i think we all need to get used to being "jerks" in the media over the next few weeks. [shared file(s): image.png]
2021-03-27 08:04 Robert F. Garry open

Maybe another "frame-worthy" one?
2021-03-27 08:16 Robert F. Garry open

Fox>60Minutes? 60 Minutes giving airtime for Metzl to cherry-pick US intelligence. https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-redfield-theory-coronavirus-wuhan-lab-evidence"The U.S. intelligence community continues to believe the virus originated in animals and was not leaked from a lab."
2021-03-27 08:40 Kristian G. Andersen open

To be honest, I would rather not be a jerk, however, when a former CDC director comes out and says "this came from the lab" without providing _any_ evidence whatsoever and perpetuating falsehoods, the gloves are off - just not acceptable. I turned down a bunch of interviews yesterday, but decided on providing comments to CBS because ofthem airing the 60m segment....Totally agree on the importance of pointing out why they decontaminated the market - I have been saying the same since January 2020. Imagine if they hadn't done that... It's just idiotic to say that they did this "to cover up".As for links to other markets in the beginning - @Robert Garry do you have any good articles on that? I'd like to dig alittle deeper into the A/B split taking that into consideration...

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