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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.643 [SLACK_000857] · slack_pm:msg:06735

Date: 2021-03-27 07:32
Type: chat message · slack
mentioned: Kristian G. Andersen
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Robert F. Garry
Topics: Lab-leak / accidental release hypothesis Natural origin / zoonotic spillover

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@Kristian Andersen does a great job with CBS of making the point about teh animals at the market that literally blow-up the lab leak theories. "We know that the first epidemiologically linked cluster of cases came from the Huanan market and we know the virus was found in environmental samples -- including animal cages -- at the market," he said. "Any 'lab leak' theory would have to account for that scenario -- which it simply can't, without invoking a major conspiracy and cover up by Chinese scientists and authorities."

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"We know that the first epidemiologically linked cluster of cases came from the Huanan market and we know the virus was found in environmental samples -- including animal cages -- at the market," he said.	quoted / not their view	quoted_external inside quotation marks	asserts
"Any 'lab leak' theory would have to account for that scenario -- which it simply can't, without invoking a major conspiracy and cover up by Chinese scientists and authorities."	quoted / not their view	quoted_external sentence carries quotation marks	asserts

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"We know that the first epidemiologically linked cluster of cases came from the Huanan market and we know the virus was found in environmental samples -- including animal cages -- at the market," he said.

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"Any 'lab leak' theory would have to account for that scenario -- which it simply can't, without invoking a major conspiracy and cover up by Chinese scientists and authorities."

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2021-03-27 06:35 Robert F. Garry open

More of this!
2021-03-27 07:06 Kristian G. Andersen open

I was not gentle....
2021-03-27 07:12 Robert F. Garry open

No reason to be it's bullshit and in fact as the WashPost story said people are getting killed - kid gloves off for all ofthem, including especially Alina, Metzl, Lipstich, eDim, Jesse, Frieden. After Metzl has his 60 Minutes moment I amsure you (we) will be ready too!
2021-03-27 07:29 Robert F. Garry open

In case you ahvn't seen: https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/03/26/1021263/bat-covid-coronavirus-cause-origin-wuhan/
2021-03-27 07:32 Robert F. Garry

@Kristian Andersen does a great job with CBS of making the point about teh animals at the market that literally blow-up the lab leak theories. "We know that the first epidemiologically linked cluster of cases came from the Huanan market and we know the virus was found in environmental samples -- including animal cages -- at the market," he said. "Any 'lab leak' theory would have to account for that scenario -- which it simply can't, without invoking a major conspiracy and cover up by Chinese scientists and authorities."
2021-03-27 07:34 Robert F. Garry open

Eddie's raccoon dogs plus the CNN video blow-up the assertion by Jacobson, Alina et al that there weren't any mammals at the Huanan Market.
2021-03-27 07:38 Robert F. Garry open

Also good to point out that the fact that some of the earlier cases in Wuhan also had links to other Wet Markets - nota stretch to believe that a batch of infected or cross-infected animals was distributed from South China seedingHuanan and other markets.
2021-03-27 07:40 Robert F. Garry open

Lineage A to B shift also key point of discussion IMO.
2021-03-27 07:56 Robert F. Garry open

Here's another key point that @Eddie Holmes made a year ago and its stuck with me. The culling of the animals atthe Huanan Market was a perfectly reasonable thing to do - in fact the correct thing to do from a Pubic Healthstandpoint. It was obvious that the market was a focus of spread so going in and disinecting and sacking the animalsto save lives was the right move. Sure -in hindsight - we can lament the fact that it was a missed opportunity todirectly swab infected animals. But, the epi so abundantly clear that they judged that wasn't necessary - shutting down the source of infections - and cases with links to the market showed up over one month - was a prudent move.

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