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Slack / Private Message Drop, pp.329-330 [SLACK_000543] · slack_pm:msg:03467

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Date
2020-12-20 13:28
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Kristian G. Andersen
Topics
Vaccines

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Do you know if Wendy is going to be able to test neutralization from vaccinees in addition to convalescent patients?

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  1. 2020-12-20 13:24 Kristian G. Andersen open
    @Andrew Rambaut - question here, as I see this coming up in many many news articles. Do folks understand that there are two separate concerns here? (1) Increased transmission, possibly due to N501Y, and (2) Concerns about 'immunity' due to the mutations and deletions on the same haplotype? I see many people commenting that "we shouldn't expect SARS-CoV-2 to evolve towards immune evasion", but the problem here is that what we're seeing here isn't 'normal' SARS-CoV-2 evolution - it's a different process and it may _specifically_ be related to immune evasion. Can't assume our normal priors are appropriate here.
  2. 2020-12-20 13:26 Andrew Rambaut open
    I have brought this up a few times but I still don't think people get it.
  3. 2020-12-20 13:26 Andrew Rambaut open
    I am leaving it until the lab work is done.
  4. 2020-12-20 13:27 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Yeah, same here - until I see data, no point in speculating, however, let's not trust our priors 100%
  5. 2020-12-20 13:28 Kristian G. Andersen
    Do you know if Wendy is going to be able to test neutralization from vaccinees in addition to convalescent patients?
  6. 2020-12-20 13:29 Andrew Rambaut open
    Worse case would if it had selected for immune evasion, and was more transmissible, and ended up at high frequency, which could make vaccines less efficient and require a higher coverage for the higher R.
  7. 2020-12-20 13:30 Andrew Rambaut open
    @Kristian Andersen Yes. Convelescent plasma from natural infections and vaccinees will be tested.
  8. 2020-12-20 13:30 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Yup - exactly. Under a 'normal' evolution scenario I'd say that would be extremely unlikely - however, in this particular case, I'm not so sure.
  9. 2020-12-20 13:31 Andrew Rambaut open
    Exactly. Basically it would be best to knock it out but that is likely too late.

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