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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.655 [SLACK_000869] · slack_pm:msg:06851

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Date
2021-03-29 16:26
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Edward C. Holmes

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What do you make of that ACE2 stuff? If all their staff are negative then it's game over....unless there's been massive cover-up.

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  1. 2021-03-29 16:22 Kristian G. Andersen open
    This? [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-03-29 at 4.22.14 PM.png]
  2. 2021-03-29 16:23 Kristian G. Andersen open
    "Shi told them she was very worried about a lab escape and they did 2 internal audits and found nothing". This bit bothers me - and I mentioned this back when she made a similar comment to SciAm. It clearly shows she found it a likely explanation.
  3. 2021-03-29 16:24 Kristian G. Andersen open
    ... but they again, she _would_ need to consider it a possibility - we did.
  4. 2021-03-29 16:25 Edward C. Holmes open
    As did we Kristian. I think I would be more bothered if she had not considered the possibility. To me, she comes across as honest.
  5. 2021-03-29 16:26 Edward C. Holmes
    What do you make of that ACE2 stuff? If all their staff are negative then it's game over....unless there's been massive cover-up.
  6. 2021-03-29 16:28 Kristian G. Andersen open
    "her laboratory used recombinant viruses to test whether bat CoVs could use ACE2 to bind but used bat spike protein on *a bat-CoV backbone*, not human SARS" Which backbone?
  7. 2021-03-29 16:29 Kristian G. Andersen open
    "*other researchers* engineered SHC014 spike so did not need isolates for mouse experiments. WIV began recombinant work in 2015 with WIV-1. It received ACE2 mice in 2016 and *started recombinant experiments with WIV +SHC014* in 2018 but did not finish them owing to the COVID outbreak" This might all just be bad writing, but there's a lot of wiggle room in these statements. I'm not really sure how tointerpret them.
  8. 2021-03-29 16:32 Edward C. Holmes open
    Yes, I couldn't quite follow it either. I guess she means SCH014 which is a SARS-like virus. This accords with her comments to John Cohen that they were only working on SARS-like viruses.
  9. 2021-03-29 16:32 Edward C. Holmes open
    Dominic also said that it clear that the intelligence services have nothing.

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