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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.654 [SLACK_000868] · slack_pm:msg:06849

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Date
2021-03-29 16:24
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Kristian G. Andersen

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... but they again, she _would_ need to consider it a possibility - we did.

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  1. 2021-03-29 16:15 Edward C. Holmes open
    Annex D7 is very interesting
  2. 2021-03-29 16:22 Edward C. Holmes open
    Had a long chat with Dominic: (i) he thinks that it could well be raccoon dogs or mink neither of which have been tested and that there was great push back from the Chinese about even investigating this idea. So, these animals have not been tested; (ii) he said that the WIV staff came across as totally open and honest. He said that privately Shi told them she was very worried about a lab escape and they did 2 internal audits and found nothing.
  3. 2021-03-29 16:22 Kristian G. Andersen open
    This? [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-03-29 at 4.22.14 PM.png]
  4. 2021-03-29 16:23 Kristian G. Andersen open
    "Shi told them she was very worried about a lab escape and they did 2 internal audits and found nothing". This bit bothers me - and I mentioned this back when she made a similar comment to SciAm. It clearly shows she found it a likely explanation.
  5. 2021-03-29 16:24 Kristian G. Andersen
    ... but they again, she _would_ need to consider it a possibility - we did.
  6. 2021-03-29 16:25 Edward C. Holmes open
    As did we Kristian. I think I would be more bothered if she had not considered the possibility. To me, she comes across as honest.
  7. 2021-03-29 16:26 Edward C. Holmes open
    What do you make of that ACE2 stuff? If all their staff are negative then it's game over....unless there's been massive cover-up.
  8. 2021-03-29 16:28 Kristian G. Andersen open
    "her laboratory used recombinant viruses to test whether bat CoVs could use ACE2 to bind but used bat spike protein on *a bat-CoV backbone*, not human SARS" Which backbone?
  9. 2021-03-29 16:29 Kristian G. Andersen open
    "*other researchers* engineered SHC014 spike so did not need isolates for mouse experiments. WIV began recombinant work in 2015 with WIV-1. It received ACE2 mice in 2016 and *started recombinant experiments with WIV +SHC014* in 2018 but did not finish them owing to the COVID outbreak" This might all just be bad writing, but there's a lot of wiggle room in these statements. I'm not really sure how tointerpret them.

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