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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.626 [SLACK_000840] · slack_pm:msg:06552

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Date
2021-03-24 04:57
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Robert F. Garry
Topics
Lab-leak / accidental release hypothesis

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The lineage A and B is a big clue - argues against lab leak - otherwise the nefarious Shi and her henchmen seedednot one but 2 markets with two lineages to cover their tracks?

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  1. 2021-03-24 04:53 Andrew Rambaut open
    These are the environmental samples put on GISAID by George? All identical to Wuhan-Hu-1?
  2. 2021-03-24 04:53 Robert F. Garry open
    I agree that being able to culture live virus from the environmental samples means Cts in the mid to low 20s. Viable virus clearly - the complete (near complete) genomes from one pass on Vero cells are on GISAID. maybe the the Chinese database too.
  3. 2021-03-24 04:54 Andrew Rambaut open
    Makes me think that 'lineage A' was a different market (possibly A.1 - i.e., WA1 too).
  4. 2021-03-24 04:55 Robert F. Garry open
    YES! :100:
  5. 2021-03-24 04:57 Robert F. Garry
    The lineage A and B is a big clue - argues against lab leak - otherwise the nefarious Shi and her henchmen seedednot one but 2 markets with two lineages to cover their tracks?
  6. 2021-03-24 05:07 Andrew Rambaut open
    Although they would argue that B in the market evolved from A and thus proves that the market was not the origin
  7. 2021-03-24 05:08 Andrew Rambaut open
    I.e., that WA1 was the actual lab escape
  8. 2021-03-24 05:08 Robert F. Garry open
    This is really SC1 all over again. Hard to find SC1 in the wild but occasionally you find clusters in animals brought tomarket. 95% bat viruses {are there closer ones?] found but SC2 only are found in civets, raccoon dogs andoccasional badgers. These are animals brought to MARKET-what you do you find are clusters of infected animals. Such a SC2 cluster could have seeded the C19 pandemic - traders brought a group of animals to Wuhan - during transport SC2 lineage A spread - may have picked up the lineage B mutations. Lineage A animal sent to nonHuananMarket; Lineae B animal sent to Huanan market.
  9. 2021-03-24 05:09 Robert F. Garry open
    "WA1 was the actual lab escape" This is the crux of it!

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