Private channel session 1148
19 messages over 1h 19m, 2021-03-24 – 2021-03-24.
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https://www.cp24.com/world/who-team-finds-signs-of-wider-covid-19-outbreak-in-wuhan-in-dec-2019-1.5309140
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So I think that I read that they were able to map the positive environmental sampleson the map that PD is rolling upin the picture. We also heard that at least some of the samples 'mapped" to the live animal stalls, including the grate under Eddie's raccoon dogs.
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These are the environmental samples put on GISAID by George? All identical to Wuhan-Hu-1?
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I agree that being able to culture live virus from the environmental samples means Cts in the mid to low 20s. Viable virus clearly - the complete (near complete) genomes from one pass on Vero cells are on GISAID. maybe the the Chinese database too.
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Makes me think that 'lineage A' was a different market (possibly A.1 - i.e., WA1 too).
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YES! :100:
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The lineage A and B is a big clue - argues against lab leak - otherwise the nefarious Shi and her henchmen seedednot one but 2 markets with two lineages to cover their tracks?
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Although they would argue that B in the market evolved from A and thus proves that the market was not the origin
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I.e., that WA1 was the actual lab escape
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This is really SC1 all over again. Hard to find SC1 in the wild but occasionally you find clusters in animals brought tomarket. 95% bat viruses {are there closer ones?] found but SC2 only are found in civets, raccoon dogs andoccasional badgers. These are animals brought to MARKET-what you do you find are clusters of infected animals. Such a SC2 cluster could have seeded the C19 pandemic - traders brought a group of animals to Wuhan - during transport SC2 lineage A spread - may have picked up the lineage B mutations. Lineage A animal sent to nonHuananMarket; Lineae B animal sent to Huanan market.
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"WA1 was the actual lab escape" This is the crux of it!
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That's what I would argue if I was wearing a tin foil hat. It is 3 SNPs closer to RaTG13
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Cause that matters
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You would have to argue that WA1 escaped from the lab - lit a mini-burst wherein it picked up the 3 lineage B mutations then by incredible coincidence landed in the Huanan market animal stalls where it really took off.
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Agree that WA1 is very important!
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IIRC there is published epi info that at least some of the lineage A cases frequented wet markets.
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The civet viruses from the second SC1 outbreak differed by a few snps from the civet viruses that started the first large SC1 outbreak, which is of course not surprising.
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https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/23/shi-zhengli-denies-chinese-military-wuhan-lab/ Shi giving public seminars and getting badgered by Parisites. Metzl is the worse kind of opportunist.
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Reminds me of the time I had just finished a talk on the Ebola outbreak at the 2015 Filo mtg. Described the death of6 colleagues etc. A prominent virologist fueled by Covidfaker's lies stood up after my talk and told the audience hewas starting an "investigation" in to our misdeeds. @Kristian Andersen will remember.