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Slack / Private Message Drop, pp.594-595 [SLACK_000808] · slack_pm:msg:06212

Date: 2021-03-14 16:37
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recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Robert F. Garry
Topics: Lab-leak / accidental release hypothesis Wuhan Institute of Virology collaboration

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Agreed - but as far as the rainbow goes you've got to be kidding - I talked to an NBC reporter - Denise Chow -last week for about an hour wherein I used the term "lab magic." Chow's credible and actually one of the two NBC reporters that were allowed to visit WIV last year. Chow - not a lab leak fan by any means. Pretty sure she was goingto talk to Alina though - I dunno - I might have mentioned Alina was an idiot or something to that effect.

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2021-03-14 16:24 Robert F. Garry open

Daily Mail is not too reliable. However, if I'm reading the signals from Koopmans and Daszak right, the smoking dogis gonna be big in the report.. I do think that the sequence - if they have it - of the environmental sample from the grate would be very good to have. Low Ct as Koopsman said there's a good chance they got sequence from it.
2021-03-14 16:29 Robert F. Garry open

Just the fact that they got sequences at all from environmental samples (some of which they grow in culture) means that there was quite a bit of virus there. Hard to see how this much virus comes from probably more or less healthyhumans taking a stroll in the market to pick up some food for dinner.
2021-03-14 16:29 Edward C. Holmes open

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2021-03-14 16:34 Edward C. Holmes open

Under this scenario it's impossible to disprove anything.
2021-03-14 16:37 Robert F. Garry

Agreed - but as far as the rainbow goes you've got to be kidding - I talked to an NBC reporter - Denise Chow -last week for about an hour wherein I used the term "lab magic." Chow's credible and actually one of the two NBC reporters that were allowed to visit WIV last year. Chow - not a lab leak fan by any means. Pretty sure she was goingto talk to Alina though - I dunno - I might have mentioned Alina was an idiot or something to that effect.
2021-03-14 16:38 Edward C. Holmes open

The question ought to be 'what evidence would proponents of the lab escape theory accept as disproving lab escape?'
2021-03-14 16:45 Robert F. Garry open

SC2 in an animal should do it. Having a virus positive environmental sample from under a cage is damn close. No other way that virus could have gotten there except from the animals in the cage.
2021-03-14 16:46 Robert F. Garry open

Need to think a bit more about the lineage A and B conundrum, but I think that too is consistent. Closer look at the Market associated environmental and human sample sequences in the context of the smoking dog will be revealing Ithink.
2021-03-14 16:48 Robert F. Garry open

I've been very careful not to mention the smoking dog to any reporters yet, but looking forward to the opportunity when the report is dropped.

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