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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.594 [SLACK_000808] · slack_pm:msg:06208

Date: 2021-03-14 16:24
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recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Robert F. Garry

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Daily Mail is not too reliable. However, if I'm reading the signals from Koopmans and Daszak right, the smoking dogis gonna be big in the report.. I do think that the sequence - if they have it - of the environmental sample from the grate would be very good to have. Low Ct as Koopsman said there's a good chance they got sequence from it.

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2021-03-14 14:28 Robert F. Garry open

Assuming a. human to animal transmission is an unlikely explanation for the smoking raccoon dog and b. that lineage A gave rise to lineage B, this suggests that the 2 or 3 snps that converted lineage A to B happened via animal-to-animal transmission in a batch of animals that includes some animals that ended up in the Hubai market and some animals that ended up elsewhere. The Hubai market animal initiated the lineage B human-to-human transmissions. The hypothetical group of other animals initiated the lineage A human-to-human transmission. The animal-to-animal transmissions that created the 2 or 3 snps that converted lineage A to B could have been completely in the wild or after the animals were trapped and hauled to market. If in the wild it means that lineage Aand B viruses are circulating and it just happened that a lineage A and a lineage B animal were both were trapped atabout the same time initiating separate SC2 outbreaks within weeks of each other. On the other hand I can easily see one infected animal infecting another during transport and separate distribution to a couple of markets inWuhan.
2021-03-14 14:33 Robert F. Garry open

Either this or the nefarious virologists at the WIV engineered two lineages of SC2 and in a moment of inspiration tocover up their genocidal plan decided to infect a bunch of animals in the Hubai market with lineage B SC2 and abunch of other unsuspecting civilians in Wuhan with lineage A SC2.
2021-03-14 15:05 Robert F. Garry open

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9359039/WHO-set-reject-Wuhan-lab-link-Covid-outbreak-instead-point-sou rce-animal-market.html
2021-03-14 15:26 Edward C. Holmes open

Cue outrage. Bob - I'll look at your other questions shortly.
2021-03-14 16:24 Robert F. Garry

Daily Mail is not too reliable. However, if I'm reading the signals from Koopmans and Daszak right, the smoking dogis gonna be big in the report.. I do think that the sequence - if they have it - of the environmental sample from the grate would be very good to have. Low Ct as Koopsman said there's a good chance they got sequence from it.
2021-03-14 16:29 Robert F. Garry open

Just the fact that they got sequences at all from environmental samples (some of which they grow in culture) means that there was quite a bit of virus there. Hard to see how this much virus comes from probably more or less healthyhumans taking a stroll in the market to pick up some food for dinner.
2021-03-14 16:29 Edward C. Holmes open

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2021-03-14 16:34 Edward C. Holmes open

Under this scenario it's impossible to disprove anything.
2021-03-14 16:37 Robert F. Garry open

Agreed - but as far as the rainbow goes you've got to be kidding - I talked to an NBC reporter - Denise Chow -last week for about an hour wherein I used the term "lab magic." Chow's credible and actually one of the two NBC reporters that were allowed to visit WIV last year. Chow - not a lab leak fan by any means. Pretty sure she was goingto talk to Alina though - I dunno - I might have mentioned Alina was an idiot or something to that effect.

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