Private channel session 577
16 messages over 1h 36m, 2020-11-18 – 2020-11-18.
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I quite like this: https://www.independentsciencenews.org/news/ecohealth-alliance-orchestrated-key-scientists-statement-on-natural-origin-of-sars-cov-2/:smiling_imp:
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But that was bloody obvious and they never tried to hide it. I see this shit is now out: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bies.202000240
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Wiley are now on my banned list.
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Hah, that would never have made it through as a preprint... Yeah, Wiley is junk, junk, junk.
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Rossana is fucking nuts and just such a giant amateur.
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Totally nuts. I can't believe they got away saying that H1N1 of 1977 was a lab escape from China!!! It was actually ashonky vaccination campaign.
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... I missed that part. I thought it was the Russians - but hey, same thing, right? I can see Alina has gone full-onconspiracy with this too. Good stuff. It'll be hilarious looking back at these tweets in a couple of years.
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Hah! We have Joel to thank for the China emergence of H1N1 :wink: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0011184
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(I know he's been working on SARS-CoV-2 to look at origins - interested to see what he comes up with).
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Somebody had some Twitter correspondence with Jon Cohen and presented all the evidence that 1977 H1N1 was a dodgy vaccine. There was a pretty convincing paper that Jon seemed to buy. I did. I'll see if I can find it.
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Plus, that Nature Addendum makes all the miners story totally out-of-date.
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Yeah, 1977 is definitely an escape - and likely linked to vaccine work. I thought in Russia though.
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This is what I was thinking of: [shared file(s): mBio-2015-Rozo-e01013-15.full.pdf]
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Suggests is a dodgy vaccine trial NOT an escape.
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Yup, I read this one when we wrote our paper - it's good. And yes, likely vaccine work, although I'd argue that that's just one type of 'escape'. Never fully proven though, so given all the weirdness we see with Ebola, who knows.
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Who knows indeed. Good, reasoned argument though.