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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.626 [SLACK_000840] · slack_pm:msg:06559

Date: 2021-03-24 05:11
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Robert F. Garry
Topics: Natural origin / zoonotic spillover

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You would have to argue that WA1 escaped from the lab - lit a mini-burst wherein it picked up the 3 lineage B mutations then by incredible coincidence landed in the Huanan market animal stalls where it really took off.

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You would have to argue that WA1 escaped from the lab - lit a mini-burst wherein it picked up the 3 lineage B mutations then by incredible coincidence landed in the Huanan market animal stalls where it really took off.	quoted / not their view	hypothetical conditional framing	asserts

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2021-03-24 05:08 Robert F. Garry open

This is really SC1 all over again. Hard to find SC1 in the wild but occasionally you find clusters in animals brought tomarket. 95% bat viruses {are there closer ones?] found but SC2 only are found in civets, raccoon dogs andoccasional badgers. These are animals brought to MARKET-what you do you find are clusters of infected animals. Such a SC2 cluster could have seeded the C19 pandemic - traders brought a group of animals to Wuhan - during transport SC2 lineage A spread - may have picked up the lineage B mutations. Lineage A animal sent to nonHuananMarket; Lineae B animal sent to Huanan market.
2021-03-24 05:09 Robert F. Garry open

"WA1 was the actual lab escape" This is the crux of it!
2021-03-24 05:10 Andrew Rambaut open

That's what I would argue if I was wearing a tin foil hat. It is 3 SNPs closer to RaTG13
2021-03-24 05:10 Andrew Rambaut open

Cause that matters
2021-03-24 05:11 Robert F. Garry

You would have to argue that WA1 escaped from the lab - lit a mini-burst wherein it picked up the 3 lineage B mutations then by incredible coincidence landed in the Huanan market animal stalls where it really took off.
2021-03-24 05:14 Robert F. Garry open

Agree that WA1 is very important!
2021-03-24 05:27 Robert F. Garry open

IIRC there is published epi info that at least some of the lineage A cases frequented wet markets.
2021-03-24 05:43 Robert F. Garry open

The civet viruses from the second SC1 outbreak differed by a few snps from the civet viruses that started the first large SC1 outbreak, which is of course not surprising.
2021-03-24 05:45 Robert F. Garry open

https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/23/shi-zhengli-denies-chinese-military-wuhan-lab/ Shi giving public seminars and getting badgered by Parisites. Metzl is the worse kind of opportunist.

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