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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.1029 [SLACK_001243] · slack_pm:msg:10759

Date: 2021-11-25 12:26
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Edward C. Holmes
Topics: Vaccines

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That graph and it's header is a bit irresponsible. Can't make those conclusions with focused sampling on a poorlyimmunized population. That said, I hope that Moderna and Pfizer have redesigned their vaccines already

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That said, I hope that Moderna and Pfizer have redesigned their vaccines already	quoted / not their view	paraphrase_third_party reporting frame: 'That said,'	asserts

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That said, I hope that Moderna and Pfizer have redesigned their vaccines already

quoted / not their view

paraphrase_third_party reporting frame: 'That said,'

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2021-11-25 12:13 Kristian G. Andersen open

Let's hope we're just looking at a sampling bias here - because if we're not, it doesn't matter what we do next. [shared file(s): FFEHAdRVUAQkWKg.png]
2021-11-25 12:16 Robert F. Garry open

Working on ourrenewal @Kristian Andersen - Hoping this is not part of the justification...."Immunosuppressed individuals are thought to be the source variants, such as Ni that accelerated the COVID-19 pandemic and drove itto new heights."
2021-11-25 12:18 Kristian G. Andersen open

Let's hope not Bob. I think Nu could likely be a big problem, but surely the early data can't be correct.
2021-11-25 12:23 Robert F. Garry open

Nu - sorry - @Andrew Rambaut put Monty Python into my head and it's going to be hard to get away from that image of the knights...
2021-11-25 12:26 Edward C. Holmes

That graph and it's header is a bit irresponsible. Can't make those conclusions with focused sampling on a poorlyimmunized population. That said, I hope that Moderna and Pfizer have redesigned their vaccines already
2021-11-25 12:28 Edward C. Holmes open

Both Andrew and I know Sean Nee well. He was not a fan of Monty Python.
2021-11-25 12:29 Andrew Rambaut open

It was estimated today that it would take 6-9 months to get an updated mRNA vaccine to deployable stocks.
2021-11-25 12:33 Edward C. Holmes open

Pfizer were bragging they could get it ready in 100 days...I guess that's not deployable stocks though.
2021-11-25 12:39 Kristian G. Andersen open

@Eddie Holmes - the graph is based on SGTF, not sequencing, so not nearly as biased. That said, it's still biased and it simply can't be correct.

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