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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.888 [SLACK_001102] · slack_pm:msg:09209

Date: 2021-05-28 07:20
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Robert F. Garry
Topics: Wuhan Institute of Virology collaboration Lab-leak / accidental release hypothesis

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Another 4 or so on the shit scale: [shared file(s): How China Is Responding to the Wuhan Lab Leak Theory _ Time.pdf]

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Another 4 or so on the shit scale: [shared file(s): How China Is Responding to the Wuhan Lab Leak Theory _ Time.pdf]	own voice, substantive	speaker_own	asserts

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Another 4 or so on the shit scale: [shared file(s): How China Is Responding to the Wuhan Lab Leak Theory _ Time.pdf]

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2021-05-28 07:07 Kristian G. Andersen open

Predictable... https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/28/china/china-coronavirus-lab-leak-floods-mic-intl-hnk/index.html
2021-05-28 07:14 Andrew Rambaut open

Ha. I suggested on Twitter it was as likely that some one from USAMRIID infected themself and then flew to Wuhanas it was for someone from WIV to have leaked it. I will ask Beijing for a bung.
2021-05-28 07:14 Andrew Rambaut open

I mean you can't prove they didn't.
2021-05-28 07:15 Andrew Rambaut open

And there are direct flights from US to Wuhan - coincidence? I don't think so.
2021-05-28 07:20 Robert F. Garry

Another 4 or so on the shit scale: [shared file(s): How China Is Responding to the Wuhan Lab Leak Theory _ Time.pdf]
2021-05-28 07:23 Robert F. Garry open

So will USAMRIID open their books for a "forensic" evaluation? Porton Down? Winnepeg? I think not.
2021-05-28 07:28 Robert F. Garry open

It's frankly insane - USAMRIID is not going to release info all the projects that they have ongoing on emerging infectious disease vaccines and countermeasures. Same with the others. Might as well write a blueprint for terroristorgs.
2021-05-28 07:38 Kristian G. Andersen open

Just pure insanity all around. And the main issue here is the false equivalence - there's this sense that unless wehave 100% proof, we can't know one way or the other. Simply not true - given current evidence, we can give a very strong statement about how this happened - unless somebody brings credible data about a lab leak, we already know what happened and just need to figure out the exact details.
2021-05-28 07:44 Robert F. Garry open

Yes it's a binary [but an incredibly skewed one] - it's either lab leak [all versions by the way involve conspiracies now- because even if you accept Relman's "they had it and didn't know hybrid scenario" then they still have to be lying about the serology] *or* natural. Disprove one and it has to be the other.

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