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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.824 [SLACK_001038] · slack_pm:msg:08593

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Date
2021-05-17 08:02
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Robert F. Garry

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I'm fine either way - long game. That google doc of points and counterpoints is pretty awesome and needs to see the light of day.

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  1. 2021-05-17 07:31 Robert F. Garry open
    "vaccine 'failures' may very likely not be down to the individual" That's another good way of stating the dirty little secret of vaccination. It's not about the individual, but about the population.
  2. 2021-05-17 07:33 Robert F. Garry open
    Agree, the whole thing about not using the best vaccines likely becomes key. The stabilized mRNA constructs good- most everything else less good for the "end game."
  3. 2021-05-17 07:48 Kristian G. Andersen open
    To the virological post - is Bob's post online? A lot of people linked to that so while I agree Bill's post might have been a little too much, I think it's important Bob's post is online and available.
  4. 2021-05-17 07:51 Andrew Rambaut open
    I couldn't move Bill's reply on its own. I also just want to have a quick look over. I may just remove the replies, moveit back and then lock it.
  5. 2021-05-17 08:02 Robert F. Garry
    I'm fine either way - long game. That google doc of points and counterpoints is pretty awesome and needs to see the light of day.
  6. 2021-05-17 08:02 Andrew Rambaut open
    OK it is back up - but I have explained to Bill and suggested he goes for an eLetter
  7. 2021-05-17 08:04 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Yeah, Google doc is coming together - A LOT of key points in there. Need to figure out how we structure this best -I'm thinking maybe we could get Stephen's help with that...
  8. 2021-05-17 08:47 Robert F. Garry open
    Don McNeill https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-lab-leak-theory-f4f88446b04d O found this bit most interesting @Eddie Holmes "Of those swabs, about six percent were positive for the virus, according to Xinhua, China's state news agency. Most came from the western end, where the wildlife was sold. And most, Dr. Shi said, were from spots near or below floor level -- the handles of roll down steel shutters and the drains over the floor gutters.Finding virus in six percent of surface samples was more than might be expected even in a hospital during fluseason, Trevor Bedford, an evolutionary geneticist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle who does flu studies told me last year. And the most logical explanation for finding that much virus on the floor and in the drains, he speculated, was notcoughing humans. It was the blood of a butchered animal being sloshed around as the market was hosed out."
  9. 2021-05-17 08:48 Robert F. Garry open
    It's not clear to me that DM really loves the Lab Leak theory...

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