A single line often inverts meaning once you see what it
answers, so neighbouring messages are always shown.
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This is pretty key: https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1009509
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I also think we're seeing _some_ evidence for post vaccination infections in clusters - i.e., super spreading. Why? Because vaccine 'failures' may very likely not be down to the individual (didn't respond to the vaccine, insufficientimmunity, etc.), but rather down to epidemiology. As a vaccinated person, spend a lot of time with an unvaccinatedinfected person and you'll likely get COVID - the risk is obviously much less, but I'm not convinced our 95%effectiveness will hold up in a world of many unvaccinated people, variants, COVID still circulating, and, most importantly, social interactions back to near-normal. We'll see - Israel. (Although I don't know what the hell is up in the Seychelles - example of a lot of unvaccinatedpeople coming in, followed by high levels of social interactions, with a lot of post vaccination infections. But they're not using the best vaccines...)
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"vaccine 'failures' may very likely not be down to the individual" That's another good way of stating the dirty little secret of vaccination. It's not about the individual, but about the population.
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Agree, the whole thing about not using the best vaccines likely becomes key. The stabilized mRNA constructs good- most everything else less good for the "end game."
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2021-05-17 07:48
Kristian G. Andersen
To the virological post - is Bob's post online? A lot of people linked to that so while I agree Bill's post might have been a little too much, I think it's important Bob's post is online and available.
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I couldn't move Bill's reply on its own. I also just want to have a quick look over. I may just remove the replies, moveit back and then lock it.
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I'm fine either way - long game. That google doc of points and counterpoints is pretty awesome and needs to see the light of day.
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OK it is back up - but I have explained to Bill and suggested he goes for an eLetter
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Yeah, Google doc is coming together - A LOT of key points in there. Need to figure out how we structure this best -I'm thinking maybe we could get Stephen's help with that...