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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.655 [SLACK_000869] · slack_pm:msg:06857

Date: 2021-03-29 16:34
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Kristian G. Andersen
Topics: Wuhan Institute of Virology collaboration Gain-of-function research

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A lot of the conspiracy theories mention the "GOF Research" at WIV and how they made these scary recombinant viruses - but that work was in DeepThroat's lab, not at WIV - so maybe that's what they're pushing against.

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A lot of the conspiracy theories mention the "GOF Research" at WIV and how they made these scary recombinant viruses - but that work was in DeepThroat's lab, not at WIV - so maybe that's what they're pushing against.	quoted / not their view	quoted_external sentence carries quotation marks	asserts

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2021-03-29 16:29 Kristian G. Andersen open

"*other researchers* engineered SHC014 spike so did not need isolates for mouse experiments. WIV began recombinant work in 2015 with WIV-1. It received ACE2 mice in 2016 and *started recombinant experiments with WIV +SHC014* in 2018 but did not finish them owing to the COVID outbreak" This might all just be bad writing, but there's a lot of wiggle room in these statements. I'm not really sure how tointerpret them.
2021-03-29 16:32 Edward C. Holmes open

Yes, I couldn't quite follow it either. I guess she means SCH014 which is a SARS-like virus. This accords with her comments to John Cohen that they were only working on SARS-like viruses.
2021-03-29 16:32 Edward C. Holmes open

Dominic also said that it clear that the intelligence services have nothing.
2021-03-29 16:33 Kristian G. Andersen open

Yeah, maybe they're just referring to this? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4797993/
2021-03-29 16:34 Kristian G. Andersen

A lot of the conspiracy theories mention the "GOF Research" at WIV and how they made these scary recombinant viruses - but that work was in DeepThroat's lab, not at WIV - so maybe that's what they're pushing against.
2021-03-29 16:35 Edward C. Holmes open

Yes, that's the one.
2021-03-29 16:36 Kristian G. Andersen open

Yeah, I think that's what they're saying - "we did stuff in bats, but the human conspiracy stuff isn't actually us".
2021-03-29 16:36 Edward C. Holmes open

Agreed. And I believe them.
2021-03-29 16:37 Edward C. Holmes open

WHO will apparently hold a press conference overnight my time...I guess tomorrow morning yours.

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