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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.614 [SLACK_000828] · slack_pm:msg:06420

Date: 2021-03-22 08:01
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Kristian G. Andersen
Topics: Gain-of-function research Wuhan Institute of Virology collaboration

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Mixing up the two is deeply problematic - the NIH was asking me about this too a year ago and I made it clear that now wasn't the time to reignite the GOF debate since people get confused. I'm not sure even Marc understands the difference between GOF and basic research, but I'm sure he considers everything that went on at the WIV to beGOF (it's not - most GOF has been done in Baric's lab).

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I'm not sure even Marc understands the difference between GOF and basic research, but I'm sure he considers everything that went on at the WIV to beGOF (it's not - most GOF has been done in Baric's lab).	needs context	uncertain explicit hedge	questions

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I'm not sure even Marc understands the difference between GOF and basic research, but I'm sure he considers everything that went on at the WIV to beGOF (it's not - most GOF has been done in Baric's lab).

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2021-03-22 07:52 Kristian G. Andersen open

Lipsitch just tweeted it (and Tami...) - I'm surprised it took Marc so long to post one of these articles... (I pinged him way back in February of last year to see if he had heard anything - he hadn't, but they had had a lot of conversations about "dangerous pseudotyped viruses" (it was clear he didn't know the difference - which is a little surprising tome))
2021-03-22 07:53 Kristian G. Andersen open

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2021-03-22 07:57 Andrew Rambaut open

So annoying it has been taken up by the GOF debate (which I have some sympathy with) - no one (except the real crazies) are suggesting this is GOF research surely?
2021-03-22 08:01 Kristian G. Andersen

Mixing up the two is deeply problematic - the NIH was asking me about this too a year ago and I made it clear that now wasn't the time to reignite the GOF debate since people get confused. I'm not sure even Marc understands the difference between GOF and basic research, but I'm sure he considers everything that went on at the WIV to beGOF (it's not - most GOF has been done in Baric's lab).
2021-03-22 08:01 Kristian G. Andersen open

"most, if not all"
2021-03-22 08:48 Robert F. Garry open

Actually it *IS* about conspiracy theories and China-bashing. The China-bashing is literally getting Asian-American'skilled. For the antiGoF [yes it should be vetted and monitored, which it is] and antiBSL-3/4 [you bet they areregulated] crowd this is all about stirring up the pot again and reviving arguments that they lost. [shared file(s): image.png]
2021-03-22 08:55 Robert F. Garry open

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n742.full
2021-03-22 09:39 Robert F. Garry open

!channel It gets worse: [shared file(s): Opinion _ Did covid-19 escape from a Wuhan lab_ The WHO report can't bethe final word. - The Washington Post.pdf]

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