Private channel session 1138
15 messages over 3h 19m, 2021-03-22 – 2021-03-22.
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Lipsitch just tweeted it (and Tami...) - I'm surprised it took Marc so long to post one of these articles... (I pinged him way back in February of last year to see if he had heard anything - he hadn't, but they had had a lot of conversations about "dangerous pseudotyped viruses" (it was clear he didn't know the difference - which is a little surprising tome))
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So annoying it has been taken up by the GOF debate (which I have some sympathy with) - no one (except the real crazies) are suggesting this is GOF research surely?
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Mixing up the two is deeply problematic - the NIH was asking me about this too a year ago and I made it clear that now wasn't the time to reignite the GOF debate since people get confused. I'm not sure even Marc understands the difference between GOF and basic research, but I'm sure he considers everything that went on at the WIV to beGOF (it's not - most GOF has been done in Baric's lab).
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"most, if not all"
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Actually it *IS* about conspiracy theories and China-bashing. The China-bashing is literally getting Asian-American'skilled. For the antiGoF [yes it should be vetted and monitored, which it is] and antiBSL-3/4 [you bet they areregulated] crowd this is all about stirring up the pot again and reviving arguments that they lost. [shared file(s): image.png]
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https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n742.full
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!channel It gets worse: [shared file(s): Opinion _ Did covid-19 escape from a Wuhan lab_ The WHO report can't bethe final word. - The Washington Post.pdf]
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Twitter is on fire with scientists pushing for the lab leak theory too. Unlike everybody else, we can just sit and wait for that report and then amplify the message...
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".... deserves intelligent discussion" [Links to tweet about bioweapons programs] [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-03-22 at 10.17.02.png]
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Major mistake by WHO not getting that report out
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Crap and bullshit are hard to counter with calm dispassionate science. Very disappointed that when faced with Alina's wall of crazy and it's DISINFORMATION that Jessie shrugs and calls discussion of SC2 as a "vaccine for abioweapon" "deserved intelligent discussion." This is playing with fire. Move beyond politics my ass. If Trump were still President there is a very good chance - based on today's discussion and editorials in two major US"newspapers" that he and Pompeo would have already started military action against China.
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Bush II had way less "evidence" than this for taking out Saddam Hussein.
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Like Iraq, the US is now just making up evidence to suit their agenda. Hard evidence apparently not required - and alot of prominent scientists seem to agree. Kinda sad, really.
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The prominent scientists - like JB and ML - agreeing is the problem. Hard to dismiss them purely as cranks, but it's their bad priors in the way. Which leads me to suggest that this is pretty serious - WHO needs to consider releasing it's report immediately - either that or someone in the know needs to leak the story about Eddie's raccoon dogs and the grate.