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Date
2021-03-09 13:46
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes
speaker
Andrew Rambaut
Topics
Lab-leak / accidental release hypothesis

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It is interesting how little people understand the motivations of scientists - we saw this before with the HIV origins thing - the assumption that we all collude to protect the establishment and/or pharma. The reality is of course that ifwe found evidence of lab origins or whatever we would be straight down to Nature/Science with it. But you would think Alina would know this. Another misunderstanding I have come to realise is that many lay-people believe that research grants are actually personal income for the scientists which is why we don't want to do anything that might jeopardise it.

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  1. 2021-03-09 13:04 Robert F. Garry open
    She also likes the attention and pushing the "big" people's buttons. She's also very certain of her own abilities evenin areas she has shown to me that she has no aptitude for. Not a real good combination.
  2. 2021-03-09 13:16 Robert F. Garry open
    Not a perfectly done alignment , but still you can see that RpYN06 spike is VERY close to GD pango spike and very different from RnYN02 spike until you get to the RBD. The RpYN06 RBD is VERY close to RNYN02 spike and very different from GD pango spike After the RBD the three viruses are similar, until you get to the S1/S2 junction where they all differ. [shared file(s): image.png]
  3. 2021-03-09 13:18 Robert F. Garry open
    Alina is dead wrong about GD pango CoV - scientists like Tommy and Eddie and Nature are not involved in some grand conspiracy to pusht a fake virus.
  4. 2021-03-09 13:20 Robert F. Garry open
    As for Alina's accusation that by obscuring SC2 origins said scientists are playing a hand in the deaths of millions,my suggestion - go look in the mirror.
  5. 2021-03-09 13:46 Andrew Rambaut
    It is interesting how little people understand the motivations of scientists - we saw this before with the HIV origins thing - the assumption that we all collude to protect the establishment and/or pharma. The reality is of course that ifwe found evidence of lab origins or whatever we would be straight down to Nature/Science with it. But you would think Alina would know this. Another misunderstanding I have come to realise is that many lay-people believe that research grants are actually personal income for the scientists which is why we don't want to do anything that might jeopardise it.
  6. 2021-03-09 14:22 Robert F. Garry open
    RsYN04 is interesting in its own right. Extra insertion, which either adds a VERY tight cysteine loop or creates ametal binding domain in the NTD. Plus the nonFCS at S1/S2 junction has 4 predicted O-linked glycans. [shared file(s): image.png]
  7. 2021-03-09 15:14 Robert F. Garry open
    Another thing about Alina's BS - if she thinks there are integrity issues with the pango papers then fine contact the journals. There is a process for that, which the journals went through. Not getting her way, she escalated, went public and took to accusing people literally of genocide. At my University this would be a violation of ethics rules,violating the rights of Tommy, Eddie and a lot of other people. I would recommend without hesitation that she befired for crap like that - take that attitude and BS somewhere else.
  8. 2021-03-09 15:59 Edward C. Holmes open
    Yes, it's the questioning of the 'integrity' issues that really infuriates me and why I contacted the Broad in the first place. To avoid elevating my blood pressure and an early death I've held off for now. But if she does it again then that will be it. I have to say that I was extremely underwhelmed by the Broad.
  9. 2021-03-09 16:23 Kristian G. Andersen open
    I'm very surprised by how passive Broad has been in all of this. Had she done this at our institution, she would have been fired - personal attacks are sackable offenses. Rightly so.

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