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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.560 [SLACK_000774] · slack_pm:msg:05841

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Date
2021-03-01 15:12
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Kristian G. Andersen

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Charles trying to convince me to stay on his paper made it very clear that he had been talking directly to NEJM and Cell and that they both wanted it - this should _never_ be a consideration when it comes to sloppy science. Orwhatever-the-fuck this is. Just horrible.

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  1. 2021-03-01 15:04 Andrew Rambaut open
    I can just imagine the cringy reply about how everyone worked super hard.
  2. 2021-03-01 15:05 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Hah - there's no going back from this other than a full retraction. This is embarrassing beyond belief.
  3. 2021-03-01 15:09 Edward C. Holmes open
    It is indeed a total disaster. The original version was a technical piece about issues in phylogenetic analysis. It was fine. The Editor then completely rewrote it into this shit. But all that stuff about Emma saving the world came from the paper authors. That was embarrassing and misleading. It also totally over-hyped the issues. Rob Lanfear saidhe agreed with my concerns but still decided to be an author!
  4. 2021-03-01 15:11 Kristian G. Andersen open
    One very important question the authors need to ask themselves - would they have been authors if this had been for, say, Nature Microbiology and not Nature?
  5. 2021-03-01 15:12 Kristian G. Andersen
    Charles trying to convince me to stay on his paper made it very clear that he had been talking directly to NEJM and Cell and that they both wanted it - this should _never_ be a consideration when it comes to sloppy science. Orwhatever-the-fuck this is. Just horrible.
  6. 2021-03-01 15:13 Edward C. Holmes open
    The reaction to their paper is EXACTLY what I told them would happen. They were warned!!
  7. 2021-03-01 15:23 Andrew Rambaut open
    There we go. As predicted: [shared file(s): image.png]
  8. 2021-03-01 15:23 Andrew Rambaut open
    "exactly what we were trying to avoid"
  9. 2021-03-01 15:27 Edward C. Holmes open
    That's total BS!!! You saw my emails.

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