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Yes, all correct.

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2021-01-16 14:53 Robert F. Garry open

Agree with the idea that these actually are pango viruses and not just repeated spillovers.
2021-01-16 14:58 Andrew Rambaut open

77 H1N1 had sat in a freezer for 25 years. Was bleeding obvious from the phylogenetics. It was demonstrated in 1978 through hybridization methods https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0042682278902039?via%3Dihub
2021-01-16 15:00 Kristian G. Andersen open

I explained this to Jesse previously.... I do not believe there's a single documented emergence event of a novel virus to a human from the lab, let alone one starting an outbreak/epidemic/pandemic. Yes, plenty of lab leaks, but all of the known kind and all easilyidentifiable.
2021-01-16 15:03 Edward C. Holmes

Yes, all correct.
2021-01-16 15:04 Edward C. Holmes open

Can't see any real point in entering into a debate on this. We just need new data.
2021-01-16 15:05 Kristian G. Andersen open

New data... Hah - I'm sure that'll convince 'em :wink:
2021-01-16 15:07 Robert F. Garry open

All good points. I'm surprised at all the love and comfort given to the conspiracy theorists. Jesse, Relman obviously, now ME. [shared file(s): image.png]
2021-01-16 15:07 Edward C. Holmes open

Of course not, but it's not about convincing them - it's about producing the most complete scientific picture possible.