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Date
2020-07-23 09:02
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Robert F. Garry
Topics
Vaccines

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Enough safety data should be there in the Phase I and II trials - you're right that the Moderna safety data is HIGHLY suspect.

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Enough safety data should be there in the Phase I and II trials - you're right that the Moderna safety data is HIGHLY suspect. own voice, substantive speaker_own acknowledges

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  1. 2020-07-23 09:00 Robert F. Garry open
    Population-wise safety another issue - I doubt that any of the 30,000 are in at risk groups - old - respiratory illness,obesity etc.
  2. 2020-07-23 09:00 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Yup, very true - I'm just very worried that those 300 people wouldn't fully understand what they're signing up for. Need the safety data on the vaccine in any case, which already requires a lot of people - but I guess it depends onwhether we want (a) safety, or (b) efficacy data first. If the latter, challenge trial makes sense.
  3. 2020-07-23 09:01 Robert F. Garry open
    Yes - it's definitely Trumps next trick for sure....
  4. 2020-07-23 09:02 Kristian G. Andersen open
    He'd push it through - _even_ if we knew it was unsafe or even dangerous. No doubt. And that's bloody terrifying.
  5. 2020-07-23 09:02 Robert F. Garry
    Enough safety data should be there in the Phase I and II trials - you're right that the Moderna safety data is HIGHLY suspect.
  6. 2020-07-23 09:06 Kristian G. Andersen open
    If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on ChAdOx1 and Sinovac - I'd forget anything RNA- or DNA-based for now- it's just too early for those platforms.
  7. 2020-07-23 09:08 Robert F. Garry open
    "fully understand what they're signing up for" - lay it out for them - they might die. We've got a 1000 dying each day just in the US. Yes - some trial participants could die - I think it's less likely with the better treatment regiments -dexy, remdesivir if they get in trouble - give them Ho or Crowe's MAbs.
  8. 2020-07-23 09:10 Robert F. Garry open
    AGree about the RNA/DNA - There are other vectors that could work too - even VSV- the devil we know....
  9. 2020-07-23 09:11 Kristian G. Andersen open
    True - maybe Ad26 too (I don't know enough about that one). Ad5 does not seem appealing, although I'm pretty sure China will approve it (CanSino).

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