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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.950 [SLACK_001164] · slack_pm:msg:09884

Date: 2021-06-19 22:21
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Kristian G. Andersen

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Just for reference - a list of the various mutations that often come up. Also, an alignment with Jesse's sequences and some other relevant ones. Looking through all of this and reading the preprint a couple of times - this adds nothing. He found some deleted data, which is cool, but the reason for deletion has to do with fear of the CCP and them making it very clear they control everything - yes, not ideal, but welcome to the real world. I would not be in those scientists' shoes - they're going to go through hell. [shared file(s): 2021.06.19_SARS-CoV-2_RaTG13 Bloom.geneious, early_muts.txt]

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2021-06-19 22:21 Kristian G. Andersen

Just for reference - a list of the various mutations that often come up. Also, an alignment with Jesse's sequences and some other relevant ones. Looking through all of this and reading the preprint a couple of times - this adds nothing. He found some deleted data, which is cool, but the reason for deletion has to do with fear of the CCP and them making it very clear they control everything - yes, not ideal, but welcome to the real world. I would not be in those scientists' shoes - they're going to go through hell. [shared file(s): 2021.06.19_SARS-CoV-2_RaTG13 Bloom.geneious, early_muts.txt]
2021-06-19 22:23 Edward C. Holmes open

Jesse's paper is hugely inflammatory. He didn't need to write it that way. Going to be a shit storm.
2021-06-19 22:25 Kristian G. Andersen open

Agreed. He's so far down the conspiracy route and that's driving the language - he even thank those people in theacknowledgments...I mean, this is nice enough and impressive effort - plus I totally agree that it'd be very helpful to get all of those fully sequenced + metadata, but do we think that's going to happen after this paper...? Words matter.
2021-06-19 22:41 Edward C. Holmes open

The pangolin bit makes my blood boil - he's included irrelevant FOIAd emails from people with no chance of reply. Anew low.
2021-06-19 23:25 Edward C. Holmes open

I'm afraid - I won't make the Zoom tomorrow. Too early. Forgive me.

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