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Slack / Private Message Drop, pp.895-896 · slack_pm:msg:09290

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Date
2021-05-29 18:32 (hour precision)
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chat message · slack
recipient
Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Kristian G. Andersen

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SLACK_001110 That'd be great. If I looked at that tree and I was Shi, my first thought would be - FUCK, did 4991 get out? Yet, she/they decided not to hide the similarity (of course, it would have been noticed anyway because 4991 was ina public database, but there's just no way they'd be thinking that way).

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  1. 2021-05-29 18:32 Edward C. Holmes open
    Yes, that's it.
  2. 2021-05-29 18:32 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Is there anywhere to confirm the sequences are internal and not just from NCBI?
  3. 2021-05-29 18:32 Kristian G. Andersen open
    If the former, this is the 'effing SMOKING GUN of NOT lab escape.
  4. 2021-05-29 18:32 Edward C. Holmes open
    Let me check with i
  5. 2021-05-29 18:32 Kristian G. Andersen
    SLACK_001110 That'd be great. If I looked at that tree and I was Shi, my first thought would be - FUCK, did 4991 get out? Yet, she/they decided not to hide the similarity (of course, it would have been noticed anyway because 4991 was ina public database, but there's just no way they'd be thinking that way).
  6. 2021-05-29 18:32 Kristian G. Andersen open
    The sequences all have NCBI accession numbers, so probably from NCBI.
  7. 2021-05-29 18:32 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Is it possible to confirm the tree is from Shi's lab?
  8. 2021-05-29 18:32 Edward C. Holmes open
    Yes, thinking about it you are probably right. Damn! I will check with I assumed it was Shi's group because they were the only people thinking about 4991, but on reflection it cou someone at CCDC.
  9. 2021-05-29 18:32 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Yeah, I'm thinking it's somebody who got a short RdRp fragment, did a blast, pulled down related / relevant sequences and created the tree. That wouldn't really mean much - unless, of course, it came from Shi's group. Would be good to ask.

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