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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.886 [SLACK_001100] · slack_pm:msg:09186

Date: 2021-05-27 18:08
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recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Robert F. Garry

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exacty! In this paper Shi and Baric make a point mutation in the HKU4 spike. Baric did it nit Shi I'm pretty sure and we're talking pseudoviruses which as the name implies are not viruses.

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2021-05-27 17:59 Edward C. Holmes open

It's a disgrace.
2021-05-27 18:02 Kristian G. Andersen open

Bill too? I just don't get it. I really don't. [shared file(s): Screen Shot 2021-05-27 at 5.58.50 PM.png]
2021-05-27 18:06 Robert F. Garry open

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524054/
2021-05-27 18:07 Kristian G. Andersen open

Yeah, she's on that paper, but I don't believe that work is actually hers
2021-05-27 18:08 Robert F. Garry

exacty! In this paper Shi and Baric make a point mutation in the HKU4 spike. Baric did it nit Shi I'm pretty sure and we're talking pseudoviruses which as the name implies are not viruses.
2021-05-27 18:09 Kristian G. Andersen open

Yup
2021-05-27 18:15 Kristian G. Andersen open

Honestly, the NYTimes article makes my blood boil. It's not "we need to consider a lab leak" - I get that and I agree with that. However, it's the false equivalence and the idea that we have no data either way - it's just not true, but I'm pretty damn sure somebody like Marc or Akiko haven't actually looked at any of it. It's just lazy - and dangerous. And where in the article are they discussing the extremely high likelihood that this came in via infected animals? Idon't see any of that - only lab, lab, lab. It's clear that people who say "I'm keeping an open mind" very clearly believe it came from a lab - they're just too afraid to admit it. At least fucking eDim is consistent on that point - I wish the Bloomshitters would be too. This whole "I'm just asking questions" leads to a bottomless well of hypotheticals,which is incredibly unhelpful.
2021-05-27 18:16 Edward C. Holmes open

So, a single point mutation. No evidence of "inserting a furin cleavage site"?
2021-05-27 18:16 Kristian G. Andersen open

Correct - and it's not her work.

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