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Date
2021-05-27 14:24
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Kristian G. Andersen, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker
Robert F. Garry

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This actually makes no sense - if both arguments are "speculative," then why the hell did they publish the Bloomshit, which they just called speculative?

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  1. 2021-05-27 14:17 Robert F. Garry open
    27-May-2021 Dear Dr. Garry, Manuscript number: abj5092 Thank you for submitting your manuscript "Comment: Investigate the origins of COVID-19" to Science. We will not be publishing any follow-up letters to the Bloom et al. letter given that arguments for one theory or the other remainspeculative. We are therefore notifying you so that you can seek publication elsewhere.Sincerely,Jennifer SillsScience
  2. 2021-05-27 14:19 Robert F. Garry open
    Well so much for a "dispassionate science-based discourse."
  3. 2021-05-27 14:21 Edward C. Holmes open
    I thought they wanted a debate?!
  4. 2021-05-27 14:24 Andrew Rambaut open
    ```The goal of Science's Insights section is to be the best place for scientists to talk to each other about science. So,given the importance of this issue and the breadth of expertise and outstanding qualifications of the authors, it wasan easy decision to publish the Letter. The authors acknowledged that demanding transparency from China--whileacknowledging the important role of Chinese researchers in tackling the virus--is a nuanced and important task given the discouraging rise of anti-Asian sentiment over the past 18 months.```
  5. 2021-05-27 14:24 Robert F. Garry
    This actually makes no sense - if both arguments are "speculative," then why the hell did they publish the Bloomshit, which they just called speculative?
  6. 2021-05-27 14:26 Robert F. Garry open
    Yeah - good point Andrew.
  7. 2021-05-27 14:30 Robert F. Garry open
    And to be clear, the Bloomshit letter is speculating that Shi et al are involved in a massive conspiracy and cover-up.
  8. 2021-05-27 14:39 Kristian G. Andersen open
    That's hilarious. From a journal called "Science".
  9. 2021-05-27 14:43 Edward C. Holmes open
    And some cover-up it would need to be. If they had 3 serious cases in the 2nd week of Nov then there would be 10sof less serious cases dating back into October. Lots is the must have known and obviously Shi. That's a lot of peopleto keep quiet, inc. all those their lab results are negative.

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