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1. 2021-05-11 21:26 Edward C. Holmes open
   As an aside, if you look at the gamey tastes figure you will see that some of the pangolins sold as food were sick. We've just done some SRA mining and found that the found the famous data produced by Liu et al. in that Viruses papers of 2019 also contains a pestivirus. And you wonder why disease emergence events happen.
2. 2021-05-11 21:43 Kristian G. Andersen open
   As an aside - trying to dig into papers eDim and others describe as gain-of-function / GOF at WIV. This seems to bethe main (only?) one: https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1006698.VERY clearly not GOF as defined here (they don't do serial passage, they don't create the chimeric viruses to be"better pathogens", they're not SARS, MERS, or flu, etc., etc. - and the chimeric viruses actually bind worse tohuman receptors than wildtype):https://www.phe.gov/s3/dualuse/documents/gain-of-function.pdfhttps://www.phe.gov/s3/dualuse/documents/p3co.pdfIt's total BS.Just FYI since this might come up in random conversation...
3. 2021-05-11 21:59 Edward C. Holmes open
   Yes, that's biodiversity. No way GOF.
4. 2021-05-11 22:01 Kristian G. Andersen
   They make chimeric viruses in the paper (small part), but still not GOF.
5. 2021-05-11 22:05 Edward C. Holmes open
   Ah, got it.
6. 2021-05-11 22:07 Edward C. Holmes open
   They emailed us!
7. 2021-05-11 22:07 Kristian G. Andersen open
   Aaaaaahahahahaha [shared file(s): Upcoming letter in Science]
8. 2021-05-11 22:10 Edward C. Holmes open
   I'm not replying. I just won't be able to control my anger.

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