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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.767 [SLACK_000981] · slack_pm:msg:08032

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Date
2021-05-10 08:31
Type
chat message · slack
recipient
Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes
speaker
Andrew Rambaut

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  1. 2021-05-10 08:26 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Have you talked to Worobey about any of this previously? There's nothing in the letter itself, but clearly it lays out afalse balance
  2. 2021-05-10 08:26 Andrew Rambaut open
    No. I wouldn't have expected him to get embroiled in this (particularly after the whole Ed Hooper stuff)
  3. 2021-05-10 08:28 Kristian G. Andersen open
    Yeah, I was very surprised to see him on here - and disappointed.
  4. 2021-05-10 08:30 Andrew Rambaut open
    I was thinking more about the false equivalence stuff - perhaps we need a really good figure. Something not like this:
  5. 2021-05-10 08:31 Andrew Rambaut
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  6. 2021-05-10 08:31 Robert F. Garry open
    Baric - aka Deep Throat- is on because Po1 got too much press and we're not really coronavirologists.
  7. 2021-05-10 08:36 Andrew Rambaut open
    Basically you have gazillion bat viruses. A small fraction of these are human/civet/raccoon dog transmissible but you have millions of these and any transmissible viruses will jump. These will then jump to humans. You have numbers and time on your side. The alternative is a lab samples, say, 10,000 bats (all from a few locations). That sample hasto contain the human transmissible one (but it will not be selecting for it, unlike the carnivore reservoir), it has to stay viable as a virus and infect one person (out of a handful that may be working with the samples). Also the one human infectious virus (out of 10,000 has to be the one to stay viable and infect the lab worker.
  8. 2021-05-10 08:37 Andrew Rambaut open
    If you have zero evidence that SC2 was in the lab then you are left with this vanishingly small prior probability.
  9. 2021-05-10 08:44 Robert F. Garry open
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