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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.598 [SLACK_000812] · slack_pm:msg:06244

Date: 2021-03-15 13:22
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Kristian G. Andersen

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The grates, totally - and yes, raccoon dogs, or whatever other animal for that matter. Makes perfect sense. But how that fits in with frozen foods, I don't understand. That said, Marion must have something good here, otherwise there's no way she'd go down that path - she's much, much too smart for that. There must be some actual evidence.

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2021-03-15 13:15 Kristian G. Andersen open

Still seems very strange to me - a batch of, say, frozen raccoon dogs are positive, but so are live raccoon dogs atthe market? Coming from the same supplier?
2021-03-15 13:16 Robert F. Garry open

Exactly - that's what I think Koopmans is sitting on...
2021-03-15 13:17 Kristian G. Andersen open

Well, if they have actual evidence of that, then it's a done deal. Not impossible, I guess, but seems strange.
2021-03-15 13:20 Robert F. Garry open

I'm not sold on the frozen food thing either - far from it. But I think that the positive grate plus Eddie's raccoon dog pics are pretty nearly the same thing to actually have taken the swab directly from the animal's ass.
2021-03-15 13:22 Kristian G. Andersen

The grates, totally - and yes, raccoon dogs, or whatever other animal for that matter. Makes perfect sense. But how that fits in with frozen foods, I don't understand. That said, Marion must have something good here, otherwise there's no way she'd go down that path - she's much, much too smart for that. There must be some actual evidence.
2021-03-15 13:23 Robert F. Garry open

Then there is the whole lineage A and B = the animals in the Huanan market are lineage B, so how did lineage A get started? The NEJM paper says other case werelinked to other markets, but which ones and which were sequenced Idon't know,.
2021-03-15 13:26 Robert F. Garry open

My read as well -on Marion.
2021-03-15 13:38 Edward C. Holmes open

Yes, Marion is cautious so they must have something. Hope they release soon. I may have told you but I also heard that they had discounted the Dec 1 case and the earliest known one is now Dec 8. I also think I heard that while this patient had no link to the market his parents had some sort of link to another live animal market. Not sure is this issomething or not.
2021-03-15 13:45 Robert F. Garry open

Dec 8 is consistent with the graph from the CCDC NEJM paper.

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