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Question 2: Given that the virus in the environmental samples most likely came from animals in the market [I agree with Koopmans on this key point], and that the environmental samples are in fact SARS-CoV-2 (lineage B) does this mean that SC2 already fully formed has been circulating in nature? I'm having a hard time coming to any other conclusion, but would like to talked down from that as a conclusion and hear other possibilities.
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I don't understand the frozen food hypothesis. How did it get from bats to frozen foods and then to animals at the market? Doesn't make sense to me...
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I'm not sure it has to come from bats to the frozen foods to the animals. In fact, looks to me like SC2 is already inthose animals. If I understand the EgoHealth email to Eddie and what Koopsmans had leaked to the press over the past few weeks - she thinks that some of the frozen animal samples that are positive came from the same supplieras the suppler for the raccoon dogs. Some of the frozen meat also being raccoon dogs. Koopmans said it was likely that the meat itself was positive not the outside of the package.
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Still seems very strange to me - a batch of, say, frozen raccoon dogs are positive, but so are live raccoon dogs atthe market? Coming from the same supplier?
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2021-03-15 13:16
Robert F. Garry
Exactly - that's what I think Koopmans is sitting on...
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Well, if they have actual evidence of that, then it's a done deal. Not impossible, I guess, but seems strange.
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I'm not sold on the frozen food thing either - far from it. But I think that the positive grate plus Eddie's raccoon dog pics are pretty nearly the same thing to actually have taken the swab directly from the animal's ass.
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The grates, totally - and yes, raccoon dogs, or whatever other animal for that matter. Makes perfect sense. But how that fits in with frozen foods, I don't understand. That said, Marion must have something good here, otherwise there's no way she'd go down that path - she's much, much too smart for that. There must be some actual evidence.
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Then there is the whole lineage A and B = the animals in the Huanan market are lineage B, so how did lineage A get started? The NEJM paper says other case werelinked to other markets, but which ones and which were sequenced Idon't know,.