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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.580 [SLACK_000794] · slack_pm:msg:06061

Date: 2021-03-09 16:57
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Edward C. Holmes

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Got this from a friend at EgoHealth. Very interesting. Obviously keep to yourselves: "Apparently the WHO team spent a fair bit of time matching landmarks from your photos to the market when they visited, and the drain grates that the raccoon dogs were sitting on top of in your pictures correspond to the places in the market where they found the lowest CoV Ct values (all of this is still confidential but will be in the report I think). Seems reasonable that those guys were infected and shedding virus in their feces, as Koopmans thought it was highly unlikely that that level ofCoV RNA would be in those grates from human sources. Unfortunately the Chinese didn't do any source tracing ofany mammals from the market originally (I think they're still claiming it was seafood only), and now all those farms are apparently coat hanger factories (?), so I don't think that they'll be able to really test that hypothesis. The WHO team also found frozen raccoon dog/ferret badger (they're unsure and I think are waiting for barcoding) carcassesstill at the market, so it's possible that some of the frozen food detections they've had could have come from the same source farm or processing plant as the live animals."

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2021-03-09 15:14 Robert F. Garry open

Another thing about Alina's BS - if she thinks there are integrity issues with the pango papers then fine contact the journals. There is a process for that, which the journals went through. Not getting her way, she escalated, went public and took to accusing people literally of genocide. At my University this would be a violation of ethics rules,violating the rights of Tommy, Eddie and a lot of other people. I would recommend without hesitation that she befired for crap like that - take that attitude and BS somewhere else.
2021-03-09 15:59 Edward C. Holmes open

Yes, it's the questioning of the 'integrity' issues that really infuriates me and why I contacted the Broad in the first place. To avoid elevating my blood pressure and an early death I've held off for now. But if she does it again then that will be it. I have to say that I was extremely underwhelmed by the Broad.
2021-03-09 16:23 Kristian G. Andersen open

I'm very surprised by how passive Broad has been in all of this. Had she done this at our institution, she would have been fired - personal attacks are sackable offenses. Rightly so.
2021-03-09 16:29 Robert F. Garry open

@Kristian Andersen She is also wasting a lot of other people's time driving the false narrative about fake pango /bat CoV sequences and how SC2 emerged perfectly adapted. Not that other idiots haven't and wouldn't have carried that water, but she brings the imprimatur of the Broad - and by their passivity - tacit approval.
2021-03-09 16:57 Edward C. Holmes

Got this from a friend at EgoHealth. Very interesting. Obviously keep to yourselves: "Apparently the WHO team spent a fair bit of time matching landmarks from your photos to the market when they visited, and the drain grates that the raccoon dogs were sitting on top of in your pictures correspond to the places in the market where they found the lowest CoV Ct values (all of this is still confidential but will be in the report I think). Seems reasonable that those guys were infected and shedding virus in their feces, as Koopmans thought it was highly unlikely that that level ofCoV RNA would be in those grates from human sources. Unfortunately the Chinese didn't do any source tracing ofany mammals from the market originally (I think they're still claiming it was seafood only), and now all those farms are apparently coat hanger factories (?), so I don't think that they'll be able to really test that hypothesis. The WHO team also found frozen raccoon dog/ferret badger (they're unsure and I think are waiting for barcoding) carcassesstill at the market, so it's possible that some of the frozen food detections they've had could have come from the same source farm or processing plant as the live animals."
2021-03-09 17:12 Kristian G. Andersen open

Very interesting - and, of course, makes a ton of sense. Kinda looking forward to the full report - I'm not convinced it'll be a total dud :wink:
2021-03-09 17:23 Edward C. Holmes open

Agreed - seems better than I imagined The Parisites will explode
2021-03-09 17:48 Robert F. Garry open

That would be good!

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