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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.243 [SLACK_000457] · slack_pm:msg:02537

Date: 2020-10-30 16:35
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Kristian G. Andersen, Robert F. Garry, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Edward C. Holmes
Topics: Vaccines

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Raccoon dogs in the market would be so simple....yes, the vaccine trial is mad.

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Raccoon dogs in the market would be so simple....yes, the vaccine trial is mad.	quoted / not their view	hypothetical conditional framing	asserts

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Raccoon dogs in the market would be so simple....yes, the vaccine trial is mad.

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hypothetical conditional framing

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2020-10-30 16:31 Edward C. Holmes open

But it also doesn't fit the WIV narrative as they don't do anything with the BGI.
2020-10-30 16:33 Edward C. Holmes open

And the BGI are not even in Wuhan.
2020-10-30 16:33 Kristian G. Andersen open

Yeah, I don't really see how any of this fits with WIV (other than it being close to PLA). It fits better with the Huanan market (since the whole "Line 2" narrative isn't all that stupid)
2020-10-30 16:34 Kristian G. Andersen open

One thing "Steve" considers a potential hypothesis here is a "vaccine challenge trial" - which isn't totally idiotic. But we'd have known about some SARS2 related virus if that were the case.
2020-10-30 16:35 Edward C. Holmes

Raccoon dogs in the market would be so simple....yes, the vaccine trial is mad.
2020-10-30 16:38 Edward C. Holmes open

We know there must have cases around at that time. All those posterior diversity stuff is complete BS though. That Wade guy from the NYT kept rattling on about that.
2020-10-30 16:40 Kristian G. Andersen open

Yeah, we know the early cases occurred back in the beginning of December, so it's certainly not completely mad tothink that somebody was investigating using sequencing around that time.
2020-10-30 16:42 Edward C. Holmes open

But very likely in that there is just no footprint of this anywhere else...anyway, I've put the feelers out and I'll update you as soon as I hear anything.
2020-10-30 16:45 Edward C. Holmes open

Also having a chat with Tommy later so will be armed with more pangolies.

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