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Slack / Private Message Drop, p.240 [SLACK_000454] · slack_pm:msg:02494

Date: 2020-10-30 12:50
Type: chat message · slack
recipient: Robert F. Garry, Edward C. Holmes, Andrew Rambaut
speaker: Kristian G. Andersen
Topics: Lab-leak / accidental release hypothesis Intelligence community assessments Natural origin / zoonotic spillover Wuhan Institute of Virology collaboration

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Some of this stuff is actually pretty interesting - but necessarily because of what the paper insinuate. The Huanan market is on Line 2 as well (so is WIV) and where one of these early sequences differ from Hu-1, it is indeed ancestral (as in, the same as RaTG13).I think it's entirely possible these may be some of the very earliest patients and suspected in early December - only later to be sequenced. That Lancet paper with patients dating back to the very beginning of December also shows that China probably knew something was going on early December and not mid-December, which I think is the'official' story. Not too surprising, but some of these details are pretty interesting. Doesn't really point to lab origins -although the registration dates are a little puzzling and I'm not sure if this particular hospital should raise a flag (ithas a weird name, but don't they all - some hospital bound to be first seeing patients...).

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The Huanan market is on Line 2 as well (so is WIV) and where one of these early sequences differ from Hu-1, it is indeed ancestral (as in, the same as RaTG13).I think it's entirely possible these may be some of the very earliest patients and suspected in early December - only later to be sequenced.	needs context	uncertain explicit hedge	acknowledges
Doesn't really point to lab origins -although the registration dates are a little puzzling and I'm not sure if this particular hospital should raise a flag (ithas a weird name, but don't they all - some hospital bound to be first seeing patients...).	needs context	uncertain explicit hedge	questions

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The Huanan market is on Line 2 as well (so is WIV) and where one of these early sequences differ from Hu-1, it is indeed ancestral (as in, the same as RaTG13).I think it's entirely possible these may be some of the very earliest patients and suspected in early December - only later to be sequenced.

needs context

uncertain explicit hedge

acknowledges

Doesn't really point to lab origins -although the registration dates are a little puzzling and I'm not sure if this particular hospital should raise a flag (ithas a weird name, but don't they all - some hospital bound to be first seeing patients...).

needs context

uncertain explicit hedge

questions

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2020-10-30 12:50 Kristian G. Andersen

Some of this stuff is actually pretty interesting - but necessarily because of what the paper insinuate. The Huanan market is on Line 2 as well (so is WIV) and where one of these early sequences differ from Hu-1, it is indeed ancestral (as in, the same as RaTG13).I think it's entirely possible these may be some of the very earliest patients and suspected in early December - only later to be sequenced. That Lancet paper with patients dating back to the very beginning of December also shows that China probably knew something was going on early December and not mid-December, which I think is the'official' story. Not too surprising, but some of these details are pretty interesting. Doesn't really point to lab origins -although the registration dates are a little puzzling and I'm not sure if this particular hospital should raise a flag (ithas a weird name, but don't they all - some hospital bound to be first seeing patients...).

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