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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.90 · baric_ti:utt:00810

Date: 2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type: transcript segment · interview
recipient: Ralph S. Baric, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker: Christina Salazar
Topics: EcoHealth Alliance funding and grants Intelligence community assessments

So the DARPA DEFUSE proposal has obviously been the subject of a lot of discussion. I know that for a lot of people it is hard to understand how it did not come up earlier in the conversations. So I'm going to ask, when did you raise, for the first time, with the United States government officials that you were interacting with -- I mean, you interacted with Erik Stemmy on the 7th, Fauci on February 11, 2020. Did DARPA DEFUSE come up in that meeting?

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So the DARPA DEFUSE proposal has obviously been the subject of a lot of discussion.	own voice, substantive	speaker_own	asserts
So I'm going to ask, when did you raise, for the first time, with the United States government officials that you were interacting with -- I mean, you interacted with Erik Stemmy on the 7th, Fauci on February 11, 2020.	needs context	speaker_own	questions

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So the DARPA DEFUSE proposal has obviously been the subject of a lot of discussion.

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So I'm going to ask, when did you raise, for the first time, with the United States government officials that you were interacting with -- I mean, you interacted with Erik Stemmy on the 7th, Fauci on February 11, 2020.

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2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Yes.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Oh, I don't know if we discussed the DARPA proposal. Is that, by that time it had been rejected, or was it under review?
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

It had been rejected.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Yeah. I'm sure that it came up in terms of it being rejected, but, you know, it happens on grants.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar

So the DARPA DEFUSE proposal has obviously been the subject of a lot of discussion. I know that for a lot of people it is hard to understand how it did not come up earlier in the conversations. So I'm going to ask, when did you raise, for the first time, with the United States government officials that you were interacting with -- I mean, you interacted with Erik Stemmy on the 7th, Fauci on February 11, 2020. Did DARPA DEFUSE come up in that meeting?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

No.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Is there a reason why?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

I hadn't remembered the grant. That DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com shocks you, doesn't it?
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

It does shock me.

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