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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.90 · baric_ti:utt:00807

Date: 2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type: transcript segment · interview
recipient: Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker: Ralph S. Baric

Oh, I don't know if we discussed the DARPA proposal. Is that, by that time it had been rejected, or was it under review?

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2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

She was definitely there.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Did you all discuss -- and now we'll move to DEFUSE -- did you all discuss DEFUSE while you were there?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

This is the DARPA proposal?
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Yes.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric

Oh, I don't know if we discussed the DARPA proposal. Is that, by that time it had been rejected, or was it under review?
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

It had been rejected.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Yeah. I'm sure that it came up in terms of it being rejected, but, you know, it happens on grants.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

So the DARPA DEFUSE proposal has obviously been the subject of a lot of discussion. I know that for a lot of people it is hard to understand how it did not come up earlier in the conversations. So I'm going to ask, when did you raise, for the first time, with the United States government officials that you were interacting with -- I mean, you interacted with Erik Stemmy on the 7th, Fauci on February 11, 2020. Did DARPA DEFUSE come up in that meeting?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

No.