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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), p.51 · baric_ti:utt:00391

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Date
2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type
transcript segment · interview
recipient
Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker
Ralph S. Baric
Topics
Gain-of-function research
No. That's not correct at all. They reviewed it. Again, you're asking me to describe NIH policy that occurred behind a closed door. So the details of the discussion about what's gain-of-function or what's not is dependent on NIH. My role is to provide them with the information of what I think. They don't have to accept that at all.

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  1. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    I don't recall the exact reason why we put that statement in. It may have been because the journal wanted it written in that it was started prior to the pause. It's technically accurate and honest, and I think that's the most important thing for the reason why the DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com statement is in the paper.
  2. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    Was all the work done before the pause, or was it that it was --
  3. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    It was 90 percent done before the pause. We had resurrected the virus, I think, in, I don't know, February, March, April of 2014, and had done a lot of work on them.
  4. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    And so was it NIH's position that anything that was created prior to the pause, you could do any type of work after the pause and it wouldn't be considered gain-of-function?
  5. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric
    No. That's not correct at all. They reviewed it. Again, you're asking me to describe NIH policy that occurred behind a closed door. So the details of the discussion about what's gain-of-function or what's not is dependent on NIH. My role is to provide them with the information of what I think. They don't have to accept that at all.
  6. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    Have they ever not?
  7. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    Yes.
  8. 2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open
    In what cases?
  9. 2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open
    I think a grant with Fang Li, they said there were a couple of things they didn't want us to work on. They suggested we find different viruses in all of the experimental plan, which we did. DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com

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