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Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted), pp.51-52 · baric_ti:utt:00395

Date: 2026-04-10 09:00 (day precision)
Type: transcript segment · interview
recipient: Christina Salazar, Harry Kazenoff, David T. Lambeth III, William Henderson, Clark Ervin, Jake Greenberg
speaker: Ralph S. Baric

I think a grant with Fang Li, they said there were a couple of things they didn't want us to work on. They suggested we find different viruses in all of the experimental plan, which we did. DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com

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2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

No. That's not correct at all. They reviewed it. Again, you're asking me to describe NIH policy that occurred behind a closed door. So the details of the discussion about what's gain-of-function or what's not is dependent on NIH. My role is to provide them with the information of what I think. They don't have to accept that at all.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Have they ever not?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Yes.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

In what cases?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric

I think a grant with Fang Li, they said there were a couple of things they didn't want us to work on. They suggested we find different viruses in all of the experimental plan, which we did. DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

And what grant was that? Was it a coronavirus grant?
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

Definitely.
2026-04-10 09:00 Christina Salazar open

Okay.
2026-04-10 09:00 Ralph S. Baric open

And Fang Li would've been on it. So there are two Fang Li grants, one that I led that he was co-PI on and one that he led that I was co-PI on. We can provide you with those numbers, but I can't tell you what they are off the top of my head.

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