Baric Transcribed Interview (Redacted) — page 51

DC.Scheduling@LexitasLegal.com statement is in the paper. MS. SALAZAR: Was all the work done before the pause, or was it that it was -- DR. BARIC: It was 90 percent done before the pause. We had resurrected the virus, I think, in, I don't know, February, March, April of 2014, and had done a lot of work on them. MS. SALAZAR: And so was it NIH's position that anything that was created prior to the pause, you could do any type of work after the pause and it wouldn't be considered gain-of-function? DR. BARIC: No. That's not correct at all. They reviewed it. Again, you're asking me to describe NIH policy that occurred behind a closed door. So the details of the discussion about what's gain-of-function or what's not is dependent on NIH. My role is to provide them with the information of what I think. They don't have to accept that at all. MS. SALAZAR: Have they ever not? DR. BARIC: Yes. MS. SALAZAR: In what cases? DR. BARIC: I think a grant with Fang Li, they said there were a couple of things they didn't want us to work on. They suggested we find different viruses in all of the experimental plan, which we did.